Breaking: Advocate Does Not Want Autistic Input on New Bill

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30 Dec 2008, 8:34 am

The Office of Advocacy for Autistic Children, Michael E. Robinson who is heading up proposed Autism Reform Act on the website change.org just told an autistic individual that their opinion is not wanted.

Furthermore the autistic individual copied the bill onto a google document to encourage public editing and was accused of pirating the bill.

Read more at http://www.aspieweb.net/autism-input-un ... -advocate/



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30 Dec 2008, 11:09 am

Typical hatred towards ASD. :(



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30 Dec 2008, 11:30 am

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Typical hatred towards ASD. :(

Typical NT hatred towards ASD.

Either that, or he stands to profit from being the "only" person to sponsor the bill, and only on his terms.

Follow the money.


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30 Dec 2008, 2:02 pm

Fnord wrote:
ForsakenEagle wrote:
Typical hatred towards ASD. :(

Typical NT hatred towards ASD.


Thats a pretty stupid comment - not all NTs hate all autistic people. Making such a stereotypical statement does nothing but harm for autism advocacy.



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30 Dec 2008, 2:33 pm

messygeek wrote:
Thats a pretty stupid comment - not all NTs hate all autistic people. Making such a stereotypical statement does nothing but harm for autism advocacy.


Agreed. But the militant anti-"NTs" from this and other forums will jump on this without hesitation- and without reading everything through to form their own opinions. Lemmings.
I read the article in question and the responses.
Everything M.R. has written seems on the up-n-up to me. Conversly, the arguments presented by the other participants come across as whiney, self-centered and unconstructive: "He's not taking me seriously, therefore nothing he says is true."

Michael E. Robinson Sr. wrote:
Although there are many things that will need to be revised to fit the needs of all… including adults on the spectrum. Please keep in mind while trying to satisfy the wants of all the final revision will include needs for children and for adults.. so your input is very much needed.


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He doesn’t want our input I’ve done nothing but offer what I believed to be constructive comments and attempt to reach a good median between the perspective of the parents and the Autistic adults.
At first he humored me as far as I can tell then when he realized I wasn’t going to stop trying to help him fix his bill he resorted to using my action of creating a google doc of the bill anyone can edit as an excuse to dismiss me as a felon and a pirate.


How this became "news-worthy" is beyond me. Another disgruntled person on the spectrum who feels slighted for no overt reason.

[edited for content by sinsboldly]

Edited for clarification.



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30 Dec 2008, 3:21 pm

NocturnalQuilter wrote:
messygeek wrote:
Thats a pretty stupid comment - not all NTs hate all autistic people. Making such a stereotypical statement does nothing but harm for autism advocacy.


Agreed. But the militant anti-"NTs" from this and other forums will jump on this without hesitation- and without reading everything through to form their own opinions. Lemmings.
I read the article in question and the responses.
Everything M.R. has written seems on the up-n-up to me. Conversly, the arguments presented by the other participants come across as whiney, self-centered and unconstructive: "He's not taking me seriously, therefore nothing he says is true."

Michael E. Robinson Sr. wrote:
Although there are many things that will need to be revised to fit the needs of all… including adults on the spectrum. Please keep in mind while trying to satisfy the wants of all the final revision will include needs for children and for adults.. so your input is very much needed.


Followed directly by:

Samuel Sandeen wrote:
He doesn’t want our input I’ve done nothing but offer what I believed to be constructive comments and attempt to reach a good median between the perspective of the parents and the Autistic adults.
At first he humored me as far as I can tell then when he realized I wasn’t going to stop trying to help him fix his bill he resorted to using my action of creating a google doc of the bill anyone can edit as an excuse to dismiss me as a felon and a pirate.


How this became "news-worthy" is beyond me. Another disgruntled person on the spectrum who feels slighted for no overt reason.

[edited by sinsboldly]

Edited for clarification.


Sir if you actually look at what hes saying on the website change.org - linked to the article (which was quoted throughout the article I linked) you would see that this is not the case.

I suggest you learn to do your research before you make yourself look bad.



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30 Dec 2008, 3:31 pm

Hah. Does he work for Autism Speaks or something? I thought they cornered the market on not wanting autistic people to say anything, but pretending like they care.



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30 Dec 2008, 3:50 pm

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Hah. Does he work for Autism Speaks or something? I thought they cornered the market on not wanting autistic people to say anything, but pretending like they care.


No he works for something called 'The Office of Advocacy for Autistic Children'



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30 Dec 2008, 3:56 pm

It has become apparent to me that "autism advocacy" groups where all the members and those in charge are NT don't really care about autistic people. They only care about their business and keeping their business going. Michael Robinson and "Autism Speaks" want control over autistics and they want to be heard. But they don't truly care about autistic people despite the title of their company. This is almost similar to a "company" that is really just a pyramid scheme, in that their main goal is to keep their business going and not at all to actually supply their supposed product. Would you believe in an advocacy group for black people which is run and operated by white people? Of course not. Would an advocacy group for Jews which is really run and operated by Christians or atheists hold any water? No way. People who work for these autism awareness groups (most of them anyway) just want to be in the spotlight and want financial gain. They could give two and a half craps about autistic people and their wellbeing.


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30 Dec 2008, 5:52 pm

NocturnalQuilter wrote:
How this became "news-worthy" is beyond me. Another disgruntled person on the spectrum who feels slighted for no overt reason.


Actually, I think this is very news worthy if people were to read the bill's outline. Some of the things in it are excellent for adults who are fearful of getting diagnosed because of being denied coverage by insurance. It's also very scary that they include chelation as mandatory for insurance to cover. It's sad that they only want parents on this "advisory board" not persons with ASDs. I'd invite everyone to take a look and act on what is in your best conscious.


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30 Dec 2008, 6:40 pm

You have to keep in mind, while he says "We need your input", he could very well be refering to only parents of ASD people. The problem with "advocacy" organizations is that they require the "leaders" of the org to view the "clients" as helpless, ignorant, and in desperate need of guidance and guardianship. They view them as perpetual children, basically. Therefore, to try and actively get the input of the "clients" would create cognitive dissonance in the minds of the "leaders". They must either refuse the input of the "clients", or change their opinions about them. Refusing their input is significantly easier, to justify their opinions to both themselves, and the public at large.



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30 Dec 2008, 6:46 pm

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You have to keep in mind, while he says "We need your input", he could very well be refering to only parents of ASD people. The problem with "advocacy" organizations is that they require the "leaders" of the org to view the "clients" as helpless, ignorant, and in desperate need of guidance and guardianship. They view them as perpetual children, basically. Therefore, to try and actively get the input of the "clients" would create cognitive dissonance in the minds of the "leaders". They must either refuse the input of the "clients", or change their opinions about them. Refusing their input is significantly easier, to justify their opinions to both themselves, and the public at large.


For this reason alone, I rather like that I'm both a parent and a person with an ASD. I can easily just say I'm a parent of children with ASD much more easily.


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30 Dec 2008, 6:56 pm

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It has become apparent to me that "autism advocacy" groups where all the members and those in charge are NT don't really care about autistic people. They only care about their business and keeping their business going...

As I said earlier, follow the money...


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30 Dec 2008, 7:21 pm

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Sir if you actually look at what hes saying on the website change.org - linked to the article (which was quoted throughout the article I linked) you would see that this is not the case.

I suggest you learn to do your research before you make yourself look bad.


First, don't patronize me with "Sir". It's demeaning.
Second, all I did was cut-n-paster directly from the article? How is it "not the case"?
Third, save the advice. I don't need it.



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30 Dec 2008, 7:29 pm

It is deeply disturbing to read so much animosity towards people and groups whose intention is to increase knowledge and visibility. What? Arent't they doing it just the way you want? If you smell conspiracy, pyramid schemes and illegal intent (because that is what is being alluded to here), why aren't you DOING anything about it. Just bitching on the 'puter is all this amounts to.
BTW: I just sent in my donations for Autism Speaks and requested their newsletter.

ETA: Here is my reasoning: Growing up gay in a hetero-world I have learned that (like publicity) bad representation is still representation. You may not like the person, their voice & ideas or what they're advocating. But at least they are speaking on your behalf. Don't like it? Do something about it.



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30 Dec 2008, 8:28 pm

I'm not going to get into the merits of Robinson's proposal, but I want to point out that what he posted on change.org is not a "Bill" in the sense of a bill drafted by a member of Congress to be submitted for debate and passage. It is, as he calls it, a legislative proposal outlining major points he wishes to be included in a much more detailed law to be presented to Congress. As such, I suppose he can legitimately claim copyright on the language and yes, copyright violations are illegal. "Samuel" doesn't come across to me as particularly informed and makes only general and not very helpful criticism.

Rather than getting into it with Robinson, those interested in a law reflecting the views of autistics should formulate and post their own counterproposal that addresses autistic concerns in a reasonable and concise way.