So I finally watched Mozart and Whale today...
The movie about two people with aspergers syndrome falling in love. Also has other autistics in it as well. I thought it was okay, i ended up getting a headache, and didnt understand much lol.
My bf kept saying that he can defintely tell a difference between autism and aspergers just from that movie, i was like oh yea?
1. He's like seems like people with aspergers only stim when upset, and if they stim during the day nothing really that noticable as somebody with autism.
2. They seem to have more problems socializing then an autistic, mainly because an autistics socializing is just not there, almost like people with aspergers force it to fit in, which makes it seem even more awkward while somebody with autism seem off doing their own thing and only socialize when it suits them and really want to.
3. Hes like people with aspergers also seem to have much more anxiety then somebody with autism which also leads to depression while somebody with autism rather lives in the moment more.
4. Their self help skills are not as extreme as somebody with autism mainly because somebody with autism isn't actually initiating trying to do self help skills such as cooking or taking care of oneself as much so its lack of self help skills while with aspergers its poor self help skills.
5. Their speech can be either too loud, too monotone, unusual, stuttered, stammered, while somebody with autisms speech is either not there, pragmatic, use mainly phrases, short sentences, or use other forms of communicating. And then says I can say why aspergers is a disability but can also see why some people don't see it as real autism.
Hes like, I mean all day you have to have something to rub or your melting down freaking out, have to be doing some sort of stimming, speech is either not there or just very off and confusing, lack of self help skills, only socialize when you really want to, other then that your off doing your own thing even if it means running back and forth giggling and flapping, and as far as I know you don't have any anxiety and don't suffer from depression... I was like great assumptions lol, and walked away haha.
Thats his thoughts on aspergers and autism, i then explained to him, that their are people who have aspergers traits and be autistic, or have aspergers and autistic traits and that is why pddnos is more diagnosed and that is why its a spectrum, no autistic that means aspergers is alike! hes like, yea i know but just picking out bits and pieces from the movie and from what i've seen in real life i made those assumptions, i know its not all entirely right.
Anyways, If you watched the movie what did you think of that movie? and what do you think of what my bf said about aspergers and autism? love to hear everybodys thoughts...
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My bf kept saying that he can defintely tell a difference between autism and aspergers just from that movie, i was like oh yea?
1. He's like seems like people with aspergers only stim when upset, and if they stim during the day nothing really that noticable as somebody with autism.
2. They seem to have more problems socializing then an autistic, mainly because an autistics socializing is just not there, almost like people with aspergers force it to fit in, which makes it seem even more awkward while somebody with autism seem off doing their own thing and only socialize when it suits them and really want to.
3. Hes like people with aspergers also seem to have much more anxiety then somebody with autism which also leads to depression while somebody with autism rather lives in the moment more.
4. Their self help skills are not as extreme as somebody with autism mainly because somebody with autism isn't actually initiating trying to do self help skills such as cooking or taking care of oneself as much so its lack of self help skills while with aspergers its poor self help skills.
5. Their speech can be either too loud, too monotone, unusual, stuttered, stammered, while somebody with autisms speech is either not there, pragmatic, use mainly phrases, short sentences, or use other forms of communicating. And then says I can say why aspergers is a disability but can also see why some people don't see it as real autism.
Hes like, I mean all day you have to have something to rub or your melting down freaking out, have to be doing some sort of stimming, speech is either not there or just very off and confusing, lack of self help skills, only socialize when you really want to, other then that your off doing your own thing even if it means running back and forth giggling and flapping, and as far as I know you don't have any anxiety and don't suffer from depression... I was like great assumptions lol, and walked away haha.
Thats his thoughts on aspergers and autism, i then explained to him, that their are people who have aspergers traits and be autistic, or have aspergers and autistic traits and that is why pddnos is more diagnosed and that is why its a spectrum, no autistic that means aspergers is alike! hes like, yea i know but just picking out bits and pieces from the movie and from what i've seen in real life i made those assumptions, i know its not all entirely right.
Anyways, If you watched the movie what did you think of that movie? and what do you think of what my bf said about aspergers and autism? love to hear everybodys thoughts...
I watched that movie about a year ago, and the parts that I bolded completely apply to me (I'm autistic and have showed signs of it since I was very little, as opposed to Asperger's) I have pretty good social skills and can get along with pretty much anyone. I don't hand flap or show physical signs when I'm stressed, however, I would much rather do my own thing than socialize and engage in small talk, and it has never made me depressed. In fact, after a long day or a long week, I just want to go home and do my own thing by myself instead of partying, it comforts and relaxes me. Just my 2c.
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Granted, the symptoms tend to decrease and increase based on where they are on the spectrum, but they can be different DRASTICALLY in various manners-some people may still little but be very sensitive to some things
some Aspergers people can 'fit right in' in places where their obsessions are allowed and encouraged. Also some Aspergers people may stay aloof and only jump in when it's interesting or advantageous to them. It depends on the person again but yes there might be that too.
It depends on the person. There might be more synthesia and 'in your world' in "lower functiong" forms than Asperger's and I'd say that is an understandable idea and those with Aspergers are more 'normal' and have more anxiety in 'fitting in'. Regarding meltdowns, hmm. that depends. LFAs might be more suspectible to easier meltdowns, etc.
Again this depends on the person greatly.
Again it depends on the person. I can stutter and counter that by speaking in a louder fashion sometimes, or I add gestures as well as speaking sometimes, which helps me in IRL debates and arguments
yeah those are assumptions
SWIM (someone who isn't me) will download that movie off bittorrent eventually

And I answered your points above

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i liked the movie. i saw it a few years ago and i felt very spooked by the main female character's behaviours. I saw the movie before i even knew what AS was or that it was such a part of me and my life.
even her laugh -the big sudden HAH! that she would let out -that is how i laugh. just a big HAH !
in fact i think that movie was the very beginning of some subtle internal unravelling....And so, i have a fondness for it.
I get the impression that your boyfriend's perception of Asperger's Syndrome has been built totally around Mozart and the Whale and that he has not met many people with Asperger's Syndrome in real life.
I don't think it was really that bad of a movie but I think parts of it were a little overdone. Pesonally for myself until I started attending meetings of the AANE(Aspergers Assocation of New England), I never knew a single other person with Asperger's Syndrome in real life. All my peers were NTs. Do you or your boyfriend go to any Asperger groups in your area?
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I never really cared too much about socialising until last year, when I wanted to be like more bf and his friends. I had to get over anxiety. Now I don't mind if I lose interest in a conversation and often stare into space, lol.
I've seen Mozart and the Whale once but this was before I knew about AS, so I didn't pay much attention to it. I need to rent it out though.
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Anyways, If you watched the movie what did you think of that movie? and what do you think of what my bf said about aspergers and autism? love to hear everybodys thoughts...
Remember to say to your BF that when you've met one Aspie, you have met one Aspie.
I saw the movie and was astonished. I go "HA!" like that when someone does something that I 'get' on so many different levels. When he said "you took my life!" when she cleaned up his place, I understood so well, his reaction, but I also understood what was going through her mind and why she did it. I will have to watch it again a few times to tell all the characters apart from each other. I inwardly cringed, though, cause I was in a documentary long ago and I know how what other see and what I think is actually going on can be two very different things.
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There's your odd and eccentric behaviour for Asperger's compared to the socially aloof and passive behaviour of someone with Autism. That's why they say the social impairment is just as severe as someone with Autism, but it's just "different".
Your boyfriend has picked up the differences quite well (with the other points too), and that's actually the clinical picture.
From what I have read in posts by aspies, aspies can act worse than AS. They claim they can't hold down a job and control their stims. Unless they are worse than AS but they just have that diagnoses.
I could hardly relate to the characters except for their relationship. Isabelle treats Donald like a kid and they don't get along. That was what my first relationship was like. I was always mothering my ex and yelling at him because he acted like a child. When Donald doesn't look at the guy during the interview, that reminded me of me. I have done that to people and talked as I looked away.
I also talk loud and I can be straightforward like Isabelle and I can have great eye contact when I feel comfortable. My voice isn't really monotone but I guess it is sometimes because I have been told it is so I assume it is sometimes. My stims get worse when I am upset, anxious, scared, excited and I stim more when there are people around. When I am by myself I am okay.
I think the movie was good because they made everybody different on the spectrum and it shows how people are effected differently by AS. I think Isabelle was the mildest and perhaps borderline. Lot of people think she was normal and even my aunt thought the same and she works with autistic kids. she knows I have AS and has never denied it. She has seen me as a kid and now I am very mild. She probably knows how much I have improved over the years and barely show it now. So I didn't take her Isabelle comment personally. If she didn't think I had it, she would have treated me different but her being cautious about my condition did get on my nerves but I stayed friendly about it than getting pissy because I knew she was just trying to be cautious. I think I started a thread about it once but I can't remember if I did or not. It might be under likedcalico if I did. I felt she was treating me like a child who hasn't learned to cope with the condition.
Anyways, If you watched the movie what did you think of that movie? and what do you think of what my bf said about aspergers and autism? love to hear everybodys thoughts...
Remember to say to your BF that when you've met one Aspie, you have met one Aspie.
I saw the movie and was astonished. I go "HA!" like that when someone does something that I 'get' on so many different levels. When he said "you took my life!" when she cleaned up his place, I understood so well, his reaction, but I also understood what was going through her mind and why she did it. I will have to watch it again a few times to tell all the characters apart from each other. I inwardly cringed, though, cause I was in a documentary long ago and I know how what other see and what I think is actually going on can be two very different things.
Merle
I understood why Isabelle did it too. She didn't like the mess, it drove her crazy, the place was disgusting but because she wanted to clean it and liked it clean, she thought Donald would like it too because she did.
When Donald got to his apartment, it felt like he was dropped on another planet and left there. I had a difficulty time understanding what he meant by "you stole my life." I think it had to do with cleaning his apartment and it felt like it was the end of the world.
I remember I wanted to clean my ex's room because it was a mess and had trash all over. But I asked him if he would like it if I cleaned it and he said he would prefer if I didn't because he has some things he wouldn't want thrown out so I asked what about the trash and he said I can take care of that and I asked about what about the dishes in his room, those go to the kitchen and he said he didn't care about them. I asked about his clothes and I told him those can go to the laundry.

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even her laugh -the big sudden HAH! that she would let out -that is how i laugh. just a big HAH !
in fact i think that movie was the very beginning of some subtle internal unravelling....And so, i have a fondness for it.
Ditto. I have the same laugh if I do not control it. I am very similar to her character...and the Donald character. I have his...awkwardness and her loud...artsy...spacticness(if that makes anysense what so evey). Think shy, messy(but not filthy!), Izzy.
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Anyways, If you watched the movie what did you think of that movie? and what do you think of what my bf said about aspergers and autism? love to hear everybodys thoughts...
Remember to say to your BF that when you've met one Aspie, you have met one Aspie.
I saw the movie and was astonished. I go "HA!" like that when someone does something that I 'get' on so many different levels. When he said "you took my life!" when she cleaned up his place, I understood so well, his reaction, but I also understood what was going through her mind and why she did it. I will have to watch it again a few times to tell all the characters apart from each other. I inwardly cringed, though, cause I was in a documentary long ago and I know how what other see and what I think is actually going on can be two very different things.
Merle
Same here. I get the "You stole my life!! !" thing very well because my mother throws my things away and I recall saying something very similar to her(she merely laughed and told me to suck it up). I also understand Izzy's pov. I have done many-a -thing that I expected the other person to like only to find out that they never wanted anything to the affect.

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Anyways, If you watched the movie what did you think of that movie? and what do you think of what my bf said about aspergers and autism? love to hear everybodys thoughts...
Remember to say to your BF that when you've met one Aspie, you have met one Aspie.
I saw the movie and was astonished. I go "HA!" like that when someone does something that I 'get' on so many different levels. When he said "you took my life!" when she cleaned up his place, I understood so well, his reaction, but I also understood what was going through her mind and why she did it. I will have to watch it again a few times to tell all the characters apart from each other. I inwardly cringed, though, cause I was in a documentary long ago and I know how what other see and what I think is actually going on can be two very different things.
Merle
I understood why Isabelle did it too. She didn't like the mess, it drove her crazy, the place was disgusting but because she wanted to clean it and liked it clean, she thought Donald would like it too because she did.
When Donald got to his apartment, it felt like he was dropped on another planet and left there. I had a difficulty time understanding what he meant by "you stole my life." I think it had to do with cleaning his apartment and it felt like it was the end of the world.
I remember I wanted to clean my ex's room because it was a mess and had trash all over. But I asked him if he would like it if I cleaned it and he said he would prefer if I didn't because he has some things he wouldn't want thrown out so I asked what about the trash and he said I can take care of that and I asked about what about the dishes in his room, those go to the kitchen and he said he didn't care about them. I asked about his clothes and I told him those can go to the laundry.

when ANYONE and i mean ANYONE moves anything of mine, i feel as if my heart is crushing. it is a contant source of conflict in our home. i understand this very much. for me it is connected with my anthropomorphism of my things.
I don't think it was really that bad of a movie but I think parts of it were a little overdone. Pesonally for myself until I started attending meetings of the AANE(Aspergers Assocation of New England), I never knew a single other person with Asperger's Syndrome in real life. All my peers were NTs. Do you or your boyfriend go to any Asperger groups in your area?
We help run the social group for teens and young adults with hfa, pddnos, and aspergers, and we know a couple ppl in run life with aspergers who are adults, and we meet many people with all types of autism at every autistic event, even both of us help run the autism carnival every year, and we did attend one meetin, but they changed their meetup at the last min i freaked out, never did it again... i'm thinkin about trying again though who knows. Its over an hour away, and drives can be very hectic for me, if i get upset the least little bit, and were in the car ill literally just jump out of the car or start banging my whole body and head against every piece of the car, so we don't want to take any trips unless we know our destination and its well worth it. I want to go though and so does he, i think itll be interesting, but its up in the air.
There's your odd and eccentric behaviour for Asperger's compared to the socially aloof and passive behaviour of someone with Autism. That's why they say the social impairment is just as severe as someone with Autism, but it's just "different".
Your boyfriend has picked up the differences quite well (with the other points too), and that's actually the clinical picture.
Yea after being around me for 3 years next month, even living with me for a year, and attending every autism event including walks, picnics, autism shows, autism fairs, autism car shows, autism nights, and other autism related events, helping run some autism events, helping run social groups geared towards autistics, going to visit autistics in group homes, babysitting some autistic children, helping me a big to an autistic girl, helping me volunteer at the hospital working around autistic children, meeting other autistic adults with me in real life... hes begin to become more and more of an expert on autism and the whole spectrum that it amazes me, i mean before me he didnt even know or care about autism, now hes experienced it all lol.
I didnt hate the movie it was just hard for me to follow for some odd reason and got a headache, which i dont know why, i also got somehow overstimulated a bit from watching it too idk why either lol, oh well, i mean its a good movie overall, i would recommend it to people.
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