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People Say I'm Naive
All the time 11%  11%  [ 2 ]
Sometimes 56%  56%  [ 10 ]
Seldom 22%  22%  [ 4 ]
Never 11%  11%  [ 2 ]
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26 Sep 2020, 6:35 pm

I've been labeled naive and I'm not happy about it. It must be so wonderful to be able to catch all the signals, understand all the little things. Be nice to everyone and you are going to suffer for it.
I don't think everyone on the spectrum is nice. I am, though.
People with ASD don't control their own destinies. Other people take charge. That's just how it goes. And that's how it's going to be until people can safely disclose their disability at work.
I thought my life was my own. I thought I was in charge of my own decisions and my own future. I'm not. It's in my parents' hands. I'm disabled and people who are not, like to dig in, and manipulate me. That's really unfortunate.


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26 Sep 2020, 6:49 pm

'Sometimes'.
Even as a child, I'm either very naive or very cynical.


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26 Sep 2020, 6:49 pm

I've been told naïve is a good thing but I disagree. While my parents may have found it cute, others may not think so.

Plus my naivety has gotten me into trouble before and it's open to being a target for trolls and bullies and open to being scammed and being tricked into bad activities and then it's too late when you realize. Now you are on the naughty list and guilty.


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26 Sep 2020, 7:27 pm

Autists tend to be naturally trusting and honest, initially.
We are often taken advantage of, as can be seen anecdotally here on this website.
We are perfect targets for sociopaths/psychopaths.

Trust *no one*. 8)


NT society is generally toxic to us.
Sorry to be brutally honest. 8)


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26 Sep 2020, 7:41 pm

Pepe wrote:
Autists tend to be naturally trusting and honest, initially.


If this was true of me once it was a long time ago. I'm bad at reading people so I approach all interactions with a natural suspicion.


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26 Sep 2020, 7:51 pm

Antrax wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Autists tend to be naturally trusting and honest, initially.


If this was true of me once it was a long time ago. I'm bad at reading people so I approach all interactions with a natural suspicion.


I work at maintaining an active cynical mindset, these days.
(I got stung, recently, when I let my guard down. 8O)
I seriously believe those on the spectrum need to do this, so some degree. 8)


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26 Sep 2020, 7:56 pm

Pepe wrote:
Autists tend to be naturally trusting and honest, initially.
We are often taken advantage of, as can be seen anecdotally here on this website.
We are perfect targets for sociopaths/psychopaths.
Trust *no one*. 8)


NT society is generally toxic to us.
Sorry to be brutally honest. 8)



Check you out, the Autist Wizard now eh? :mrgreen:

In all seriousness Pepe is correct, we are often used by people, especially if we have really good skills at certain stuff they will play on our kindness and try to lie about literally every single little thing just so they have you in their grasp. Really, do not trust anyone easily.

My narcissist of an ex used me for getting thousands of social media followers of all things as an example. :roll:


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26 Sep 2020, 8:05 pm

Yup, don't get that hidden agenda thing.



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26 Sep 2020, 8:11 pm

Lunella wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Autists tend to be naturally trusting and honest, initially.
We are often taken advantage of, as can be seen anecdotally here on this website.
We are perfect targets for sociopaths/psychopaths.
Trust *no one*. 8)


NT society is generally toxic to us.
Sorry to be brutally honest. 8)



Check you out, the Autist Wizard now eh? :mrgreen:

In all seriousness Pepe is correct, we are often used by people, especially if we have really good skills at certain stuff they will play on our kindness and try to lie about literally every single little thing just so they have you in their grasp. Really, do not trust anyone easily.

My narcissist of an ex used me for getting thousands of social media followers of all things as an example. :roll:


Hence your vitriol about him, in another thread? :scratch:

Not all NTs are sociopathic/psychopathic, of course,
But many can act like it, given the opportunity in various contexts.
*ALWAYS* count your fingers, after you shake hands with an NT in a commercial arrangement. 8)


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If I'm so bad, pass me by. ;)


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Truth may be inconvenient but it is never politically incorrect...The Oracle of Truth has spoken...8)


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26 Sep 2020, 8:13 pm

Lunella wrote:

Check you out, the Autist Wizard now eh? :mrgreen:


This has *ALWAYS* been the case. Some were simply too ignorant to appreciate it. 8)


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If I'm so bad, pass me by. ;)


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26 Sep 2020, 8:21 pm

Pepe wrote:
Lunella wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Autists tend to be naturally trusting and honest, initially.
We are often taken advantage of, as can be seen anecdotally here on this website.
We are perfect targets for sociopaths/psychopaths.
Trust *no one*. 8)


NT society is generally toxic to us.
Sorry to be brutally honest. 8)



Check you out, the Autist Wizard now eh? :mrgreen:

In all seriousness Pepe is correct, we are often used by people, especially if we have really good skills at certain stuff they will play on our kindness and try to lie about literally every single little thing just so they have you in their grasp. Really, do not trust anyone easily.

My narcissist of an ex used me for getting thousands of social media followers of all things as an example. :roll:


Hence your vitriol about him, in another thread? :scratch:

Not all NTs are sociopathic/psychopathic, of course,
But many can act like it, given the opportunity in various contexts.
*ALWAYS* count your fingers, after you shake hands with an NT in a commercial arrangement. 8)



Not all NTs are bad no of course not, you can get psychopath autistics. Everyone is different. But I agree they can have certain traits here and there.

And nope, I have encountered off the top of my head about 12 narcissists in some major aspect of my life. It's a curse. :mrgreen:

Pepe wrote:
Lunella wrote:

Check you out, the Autist Wizard now eh? :mrgreen:


This has *ALWAYS* been the case. Some were simply too ignorant to appreciate it. 8)



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26 Sep 2020, 8:51 pm

I can't remember that somebody ever had called me that. I don't catch all signals but I'm not naive as well. Some people thought this because of my unusual style but some also had to learn the opposite.


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26 Sep 2020, 9:16 pm

Lunella wrote:


Rather, I am more like a "Hairy Wizard".
I have a beard and I'm in the process of growing a ponytail. 8)

I'm reliving my youth, apparently. :mrgreen:
Better now, rather than when I am dead. :skull: :mrgreen:


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If I'm so bad, pass me by. ;)


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Truth may be inconvenient but it is never politically incorrect...The Oracle of Truth has spoken...8)


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26 Sep 2020, 9:23 pm

Lunella wrote:
Not all NTs are bad no of course not, you can get psychopath autistics. Everyone is different. But I agree they can have certain traits here and there.


Of course not.
I get on very well with cyberdad.
You do know he is "one of those", <whisper: NTs> right? 8O
I gather your husband is an NT, also.

Teach51 is an NT too, and she wants me bad the way you do. :P

I like NT bashing,
But it is against the baddie NTs,
Not all. 8)


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Truth may be inconvenient but it is never politically incorrect...The Oracle of Truth has spoken...8)


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26 Sep 2020, 11:02 pm

I have called myself naive, but then I slowly got wiser.



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28 Sep 2020, 8:26 pm

All the time. I'm learning to be more careful about who I trust to combat this.