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18 Jan 2009, 11:31 pm

What is your opinion of what the right planet would be like?

I'd love to read what you all have to say. My friend, Dan, suggested asking.



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18 Jan 2009, 11:46 pm

What are your favorite things to do?

*play video games, draw, watch supernatural*

How does this relate to who you are?

*doesnt really, im aspergers, most things are figments of my imagination*

Anything you'd like to change but just can't, despite trying?

Not really, i am what i am, and thats all that i am,

For these questions, do you separate your True Self from anything else, or is there no difference?

I have no true self, im just me.



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19 Jan 2009, 12:14 am

What are your favorite things to do?
I enjoy reading and bicycling. Drinking is always a good idea. The greatest thing in the world, however, will always be the feeling one gets after a ten hour shift and three beers when one lights his/her cigarette and plays some kickass music for themself.

How does this relate to who you are?
Reading allows me to gain knowledge on topics I can't stop thinking about. I'm an alcoholic so drinking just kind of falls in there. Not sure what biking says. I like working for the sake of work.

Anything you'd like to change but just can't, despite trying?
Maybe being able to enjoy the company of others.

For these questions, do you separate your True Self from anything else, or is there no difference?
How could there be a difference? All my priciples must be obeyed in every aspect of my life, otherwise they wouldn't be principles.


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19 Jan 2009, 3:10 am

Education K-12, College - freely available, not compulsory beyond age 15 (nominal)
Work - everybody that can contributes to the work of their community
due recognition given to tasks such as raising children and ecological repair
Society - live in a community, not an economy
Culture - diverse
Government - nil, replace by a Council for the common good
who are not interested only in collecting taxes or getting re-elected
Social Services - unnecessary
Medicine - highly advanced
Religion - free choice without persecution
Cities - smaller than now
International Relations - unnecessary
War - none
Environment - highly protected
Crime - unnecessary
Marriage - partnerships by contract
Dating - honest, open and direct ... it has to be OK to say what you mean
Friends - as above
Race Relations - treat everyone as equal
Weather - whatever happens ... live with it
Sports - great, but could probably do with less fanatics and no commercialisation
Recreation - non destructive
Fashion - irrelevant
Technology - highly advanced
Food - ecologically sustainable
Entertainment - as now
Money - non-existent ... unnecessary
Occupation - same as now, but no need for finance related jobs
Wages - as for money

The betterment of humanity and the preservation of the planet need to become higher ideals than the accumulation of personal wealth.


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19 Jan 2009, 4:43 am

Quote:
Shadow50Education K-12, College - freely available, not compulsory beyond age 15 (nominal)
Work - everybody that can contributes to the work of their community
due recognition given to tasks such as raising children and ecological repair
Society - live in a community, not an economy
Culture - diverse
Government - nil, replace by a Council for the common good
who are not interested only in collecting taxes or getting re-elected
Social Services - unnecessary
Medicine - highly advanced
Religion - free choice without persecution
Cities - smaller than now
International Relations - unnecessary
War - none
Environment - highly protected
Crime - unnecessary
Marriage - partnerships by contract
Dating - honest, open and direct ... it has to be OK to say what you mean
Friends - as above
Race Relations - treat everyone as equal
Weather - whatever happens ... live with it
Sports - great, but could probably do with less fanatics and no commercialisation
Recreation - non destructive
Fashion - irrelevant
Technology - highly advanced
Food - ecologically sustainable
Entertainment - as now
Money - non-existent ... unnecessary
Occupation - same as now, but no need for finance related jobs
Wages - as for money

The betterment of humanity and the preservation of the planet need to become higher ideals than the accumulation of personal wealth.


This is how i feel but not as I do

I pollute (Restored a diesel Mercedes in order to convert it to SVO (Straight Veg Oil) but didn't want to hurt its guts so I just run the diesel)

Now I pollute more (67 horsepower is boring, Its not the overall top speed that bothers me, Its the getting to fifty that just doesn't appeal to me if it takes five minuites.) so i BOUGHT A SILVERADO STILL GUTLESS (200 Hp) , so time for MY NEW BABY ....

a F250 with a 460ci slamming out 471 ft lbs, 430 HP and a tonne of pollution a minute (I do feel awful about the pollution)

Always accumulating shiny new objects of wealth. And I don't even believe in what I'm doing. Its kind of an addiction I guess.

I wish I was not driving this guzzler but the exhaust note just thrills me Like a bass note on an antique church organ. (Main Reason I go To church sometimes)

I'm sorry world, It would kill me to crush the truck to stop its polluting.

Crushing the truck is the only way to stop the motor (Short of sabotaging it) but I bet Ill sell it when my guilt beats my desires, and then someone else will pollute with it.

Knowing perfect some times doesn't translate into doing perfect.



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19 Jan 2009, 8:36 am

I think this planet is quite okay. Quite right. It's entertaining for sure. Sometimes real hard and unfair and hopelessly cruel and at others times you can have the time of your life. I personally don't think these states can be compared and that one should out-weigh the other, though of course it would be comfortable to only ever have a good time in life. But I'm content with how things are.

That there's this illusion of these two opposite polar forces in our lives is normal to me, I wouldn't dream of changing it no matter how much I crave happiness and success. There are mere intellectual ideas and reasons for why things should be better, what better actually look like, how a perfect society for each of us including what people perceive as great people and utter evilness would have to offer. It's worth the strive for such improvement seeing people suffering and dying for idiotic and useless reasons.

But I have a heart, metaphorically speaking and I don't feel the desire to change the way of this planet. And that's putting it all into a different perspective. I wish for a lot of things and I think I wish for a lot more things than most people. But I don't feel despair by the idea of never being able to change this state of longing magically and mysteriously. I think having such longings are actually a part of feeling alive and human. They make me feel ambitious.

All the pain and hurt is just as much part of what life has to offer as are innocence and compassion to me. No I don't think I have to experience one to understand the others. The most important to me personally is just feeling alive and that can be either through dark times or through good times. And I'm just satisfied to be alive for the moment, being myself here, no matter what the future holds.


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20 Jan 2009, 1:30 am

kap_pap_tap wrote:
What is your opinion of what the right planet would be like?

I'd love to read what you all have to say. My friend, Dan Howitt, suggested asking.


When Christmas is every day!

Last Christmas was the best Christmas in the world and in history.

I'm so looking forward to next Christmas!

Are you?

What are you going to do next Christmas? Shop, plan? Get excited? Great food?

I'm already planning!



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20 Jan 2009, 9:25 am

/\ You don't want Christmas to be everyday, unless you mean metaphorically, and even then excessive party like atmosphere is too much.

I hate to be a spineless troll but the following list by Shadow50 is the best list so far, but I do have my additions.

1.) Social conventions uncessary
2.) Social hiearchies also uncessary
3.) People are valued for who they are, rather then what kind of service they provide to an employer.



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20 Jan 2009, 11:06 am

It doesn't even have to be a planet. Any simulation where I get my basic (Maslow-type hierarchical) needs met will do.



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21 Jan 2009, 3:54 am

If everything could be in perfect balance.

What would that be?
Everything seems,
Contradictory.


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22 Jan 2009, 1:54 pm

People should be valued for their work and not their wealth.
All people should be treated with respect.
Imagine there's no heaven, it's easy if you try.

I have to go with a society where all physical (food, clothing, shelter) and psychological (relatedness, rootedness, transcendance, sense of orientation, and frame of reference) are met. Erich Fromm was right, this cannot come from a capitalist society. We need a Communitarian Socialist society to ensure everyone can live out their full human potential.


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22 Jan 2009, 2:01 pm

For me, it would be tolerance, and everyone doing what they want to do, rather than what MTV tells them they should do.



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22 Jan 2009, 8:20 pm

kap_pap_tap wrote:
What is your opinion of what the right planet would be like?

I'd love to read what you all have to say. My friend, Dan Howitt, suggested asking.


this planet is fine, shouldn't start it anew (that to me is pride and saying we are better than God). I would love to see more kindness in people. Especially when they can have an excuse for NOT being kind (like under stress or in various dangerous circumstances)..that's when I want to see that they trully are kind and good instead of unleashing the meanness in them upon the unsuspecting victims. It's when you CAN but don't do something bad...that I think reveals true character:(



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23 Jan 2009, 6:56 am

Harmony between self and mind.

Harmony with the world.

Purity within,

Without toxicity.

Going put a catalytic converter on truck (not legally required on vehicle its age)
guilt is ruining every drive in it, also I smoke, delivering the hourly fix, along with a heaping dose of guilt for its pollution of self and world.

I am not my creator so I haven't the right to destroy my self (mind or body).



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23 Jan 2009, 11:00 am

bigblock wrote:
Harmony between self and mind.


I am not my creator so I haven't the right to destroy my self (mind or body).


Nature has provided you with your body. It is your property by possession and discovery.

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23 Jan 2009, 8:49 pm

Although passing the buck is weak by nature (God made me so I feel and react to his reasons), If I ever decide things are only four dimensional, i will stop searching for bigger questions.


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