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31 Jan 2009, 12:43 pm

What if bahaviour that is considered Neurologically typical was found in a minority of people and Autistic traits were considerded typical? What if only 1 in 150 people were diagnosed Neurotypical? And these NT's were viewed as confusing by everyone else. Because they have social urges that are considered improper by society. And they are considered freaks because they could tell peoples intentions seemingly without indication. And they are considered unintelligent because they do not see logic. And they're thought of as dangerous and unstable due to how much more emotion they express.

Y'know I think a world were Autism as we know it was the typical would be a living hell for people born as what we refer to as neurotypical. I think it would actually be worse to be born NT in an AS world than being born AS in an NT world. Somehow I don't think we'd be as understanding. I don't know if this has been discused before but I think it's interesting to think who would cope with being a minority better.


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31 Jan 2009, 12:59 pm

What a dream. Society is defined by NT's, so dream on. Can go along with it to some extent, but NT's have decided the rules of a NT society.
If things were the opposite? I dont know. It might as well turn out bad, I suppose.


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31 Jan 2009, 1:09 pm

I've tried to imagine this several times. I wish I wasn't in a minority.


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31 Jan 2009, 1:15 pm

It would also be hell for some of us who're on the spectrum.

It would take ages to find someone who'd not ramble on about their interest, not be asocial, not disregard personal boundaries, not freak out about loud noise, not be introverted, not be one-sided in their conversation style...

I'm only friends with people who're not any like that and I have a lot of these traits myself. I really like them too. Couldn't imagine to be very happy in a world where a introverted asocial personality style would rule.

On a side note, what about all those people with other disabilities? I'd be most curious to know all about what they think about a world ruled by the ASD neurology.


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31 Jan 2009, 1:33 pm

That makes me think of the old Twilight Zone episode where the beautiful woman lived in a society where pig faced ugly people were considered beautiful and her own beauty was considered ugly.

I have thought of this before, even if it could happen for a day. Sometimes I wish that the NTs in my life who don't understand and won't accept could walk in my shoes for just one day...


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31 Jan 2009, 1:43 pm

I don't care about what society thinks of me. As long as these thoughts aren't implemented to eliminate my chances of freedom or financial success, I could really care less. Compared to others, I have less of a desire to "fit in" and more of a desire to get what I want.



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31 Jan 2009, 1:58 pm

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That makes me think of the old Twilight Zone episode where the beautiful woman lived in a society where pig faced ugly people were considered beautiful and her own beauty was considered ugly.

I have thought of this before, even if it could happen for a day. Sometimes I wish that the NTs in my life who don't understand and won't accept could walk in my shoes for just one day...

Just rememered that episode. It's a very good picture of this topic. In the big picture I think everybody should be happy with the things left as they are.
NT's are useful, and so are we.


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31 Jan 2009, 1:58 pm

Prosser wrote:
What if bahaviour that is considered Neurologically typical was found in a minority of people and Autistic traits were considerded typical? What if only 1 in 150 people were diagnosed Neurotypical? And these NT's were viewed as confusing by everyone else. Because they have social urges that are considered improper by society. And they are considered freaks because they could tell peoples intentions seemingly without indication. And they are considered unintelligent because they do not see logic. And they're thought of as dangerous and unstable due to how much more emotion they express.


Kinda like an Elcoor world (a race in Mass Effect). The Elcoor actually use words to express how there statement should be taken. Example: "Guilt. That makes me think you have done something wrong." Plus, based on what NTs are like they would adapt perfectly to the AS world, simply because there social abilities would be learned from ASDers, and they wouldn't have the social skills they have now.



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31 Jan 2009, 2:15 pm

I was thinking about this yesterday. I spent the day with a friend who strikes up conversations with everyone - waitresses, cashiers, people we were standing in line with... and she tells them about her recent minor disasters and her current short-term goals and all these things that I would never mention to a stranger. From where I'm standing, this constant talking-to-strangers behavior looks practically pathological. If people like me ruled the world, people like her would be sent to counseling and given drugs.

Prosser wrote:
Y'know I think a world were Autism as we know it was the typical would be a living hell for people born as what we refer to as neurotypical.


Later we got to talking about jobs, and the random interesting work she's done. Things I could never do. But then, my dream job would be to sit in a back room and never talk to anybody. I think if she had a job like that, she'd kill herself within a week.

Conclusion: NTs should leave us alone and let us find our own happiness.



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31 Jan 2009, 2:22 pm

I think that the world is well balanced with NTs and Aspies, but I wish that the NTs could walk in our shoes for just a day.

Maybe they would have a better understanding and it would help them have more tolerance.

Schools do tolerance exercises with students all the time for race and nationality, why not disability? They have them role play and do different activities.


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31 Jan 2009, 2:23 pm

Prosser wrote:
Conclusion: NTs should leave us alone and let us find our own happiness.


See, you're already talking like an Elcoor.



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31 Jan 2009, 2:43 pm

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...my dream job would be to sit in a back room and never talk to anybody.


absolutely. We should start a franchise.

I was the only one of my family who wasn't referred to the educational
psychologist as a teen because I was the only one who didn't regale the world with my every
emotional fluctuation. Both my sisters found me cold and unsympathetic. I'd love them to walk
in my shoes for a day and I'm sure they'd say the same about me - then we could all say, ' I
told you so!'



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31 Jan 2009, 3:01 pm

I was fortunate enough to land a job like that.
I sit in a room by myself, plugged into my music to drown out that various noises like computers running, people talking nearby, different machines running etc.
And I just do my work.
As a bonus, I get to fool with numbers all day!


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31 Jan 2009, 3:36 pm

Great topic! This is something I think about all the time.

I like to think that the world would be a better place if it were run by people on the spectrum and if NTs were in the minority. NTs make stupid jokes that other NTs laugh at, NTs invent stupid social rules that make no sense whatsoever, and, when they're young and in school, a lot of NTs don't listen to the teacher. So authority figures would be a lot happier in a world ruled by people on the spectrum.

Plus NTs place a lot of unnecessary important on looks. NTs seem to think it's really important to dress up nice and fancy for important things, like job interviews and court dates, or if you're in a high authority position like president or judge. They think it's important to blow big chunks of hard-earned money on clothing that's very difficult to put on and take off and can be very uncomfortbale for us Aspies, just so we can look a little nicer on the outside.We Aspies know better, and we wouldn't make such a big deal out of petty, small things like this that are a big deal to NTs.

We also notice facts and details that NTs miss, and, when we're into something, we're REALLY into it. We can be so obsessed with whatever's on our mind, that we do whatever it takes to get it done. So if we could get an Aspie world with different people having the Aspie obsession for everything there is; if we could have doctors who are REALLY obsessed with medical science, lawyers who a REALLY obsessed with law, engineers who are REALLY obsessed with designing, etfc. etc. Think how much would get done.The whole work world would be FULL of people who LOVE their work, are VERY knowledgeable about their jobs, and VERY quickly get experience due to their obsessions. That would be phenomenal if you get my picture.

But the truth is, social skills are very important in this world. We need NTs and NTs need us. Aspies and NTs who know they have thinking differences are people who go great together.



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01 Feb 2009, 4:44 pm

Padium wrote:
Amicitia wrote:
Conclusion: NTs should leave us alone and let us find our own happiness.


See, you're already talking like an Elcoor.


Nope. I'm talking like a philosophy student. :)

skybluepink wrote:
Amicitia wrote:
...my dream job would be to sit in a back room and never talk to anybody.


absolutely. We should start a franchise.


As long as we sit in different back rooms and don't talk to each other. :wink:

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So authority figures would be a lot happier in a world ruled by people on the spectrum.


Unfortunately, between our inability to work in groups, our failures to organize (executive dysfunction), our general hatred of authority, and our lack of interest in getting into positions of power, "a world ruled by people on the spectrum" is practically a contradiction in terms. I think an NT minority would be able to pull the wool over the eyes of us gullible, clueless Aspies, and install themselves as the ruling class. Then the rest of us would stand around wondering why these crazy people are in government and not in mental institutions.



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01 Feb 2009, 5:21 pm

Amicitia wrote:
our general hatred of authority, and our lack of interest in getting into positions of power, "a world ruled by people on the spectrum" is practically a contradiction in terms. I think an NT minority would be able to pull the wool over the eyes of us gullible, clueless Aspies, and install themselves as the ruling class.


Sadly, that's what I think too. It's what happens to every well-meaning group that starts out to form a better world community. They end up dominated by a small group of self-serving villains with better charisma and more violent ways. "Animal Farm", in short. George Orwell had it clear. Or they perish, disappear like the Essenes in my country 2,000 years ago. Non-violent societies are soon devoured.


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