Hey, einstein suddenly BECAME a genius?

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25 Feb 2009, 6:02 pm

Did einstein suddenly became a genius? He was the dumbest of his class but was considerd one of the smartest person at adult age, how the hell is this possible? He played with his violin, but how can that change anything to the iq, expecially so much? This might be helpful to me, i really need alot of info ^^



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25 Feb 2009, 6:08 pm

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Did einstein suddenly became a genius? He was the dumbest of his class but was considerd one of the smartest person at adult age, how the hell is this possible? He played with his violin, but how can that change anything to the iq, expecially so much? This might be helpful to me, i really need alot of info ^^


"dumbest of his class" means nothing more than difficulty focusing and concentrating, and delivering poor grades.
remember einstein lived long ago, it was a lot more common to label people "dumb" in those days.



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25 Feb 2009, 6:11 pm

No, he didn't suddenly become genius; instead, it was suddenly discovered that he was genius--so to speak.



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25 Feb 2009, 6:41 pm

But he said himself that he started to become smart after he got expelled from school and started to play violin (which he said made him smart) so it's really weird



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25 Feb 2009, 6:50 pm

UndercoverAlien wrote:
But he said himself that he started to become smart after he got expelled from school and started to play violin (which he said made him smart) so it's really weird


its not weirder than him discovering his depths once he was out of school, and had more time to himself.

really. theres not gonna be some sort of "wow, somehow people can just BECOME insanely genious out of the blue" revelation :]



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25 Feb 2009, 6:55 pm

UndercoverAlien wrote:
But he said himself that he started to become smart after he got expelled from school and started to play violin (which he said made him smart) so it's really weird


There may be something to the violin thing. For reasons I never knew, I began violin lessons when I was three. (It was a very small violin, though it seemed HUGE to me back then! I have it to this day.) I took violin for the next couple of years.

My sister, who is six years younger than me, never took violin, and I don't think she's ever even held one.

My tested IQ is over thirty-five points higher than my sister's.

Maybe there is no correlation at all, but if Einstein said this (which is something about Einstein I've never heard before), then for me--given my personal history and my sister's--it's definitely something for me to think about.

I've read before that playing the violin, especially in the earliest, formative years, increases IQ. The Einstein reference potentially adds a huge amount of relevance.



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25 Feb 2009, 7:06 pm

UndercoverAlien wrote:
But he said himself that he started to become smart after he got expelled from school and started to play violin (which he said made him smart) so it's really weird


I grew up through the school system thinking I was dumb too because I had trouble with math and attention/motivation. And everyone labeled me as dumb because of it, so anytime I talked about what I liked and studied a lot I was shot down as " just trying to sound smart " because nobody understood it. Turns out that I am actually pretty smart... only took until my first semester in college and talking with professors to realize that I wasn't just delusional and arrogant. I just didn't do well in the normal/boring structure of things. Even now I still get C's in classes where I get A's on exams, but often miss homework and certain labs because I am too busy with researching and studying what I enjoy.


Hint: If people tell you that you are wrong, or that you are stupid, and they can't tell you why... it's probably not true at all, and they are very possibly just incapable of comprehending it.



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25 Feb 2009, 7:10 pm

Knowledge comes from where you find it. Einstein found some of it in his own way and tried to pass it along in his own way.


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25 Feb 2009, 7:29 pm

If he had Autism, he may've had a development spurt, which is atypical for "normal" people, but dead on for someone with autism. See: nonverbal people just suddenly talking overnight.



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25 Feb 2009, 7:35 pm

UndercoverAlien wrote:
Did einstein suddenly became a genius? He was the dumbest of his class but was considerd one of the smartest person at adult age, how the hell is this possible? He played with his violin, but how can that change anything to the iq, expecially so much? This might be helpful to me, i really need alot of info ^^

It is not true that Einstein was dumb in school. He was a good student, just not exceptional, and the only reason he was not exceptional is because he was too busy gazing at the stars...



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25 Feb 2009, 7:35 pm

Hey, maybe I should play my violin more often... (and all my other instruments... I could become the smartest person in The Whole Entire Universe!!!1)


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25 Feb 2009, 7:37 pm

UndercoverAlien wrote:
But he said himself that he started to become smart after he got expelled from school and started to play violin (which he said made him smart) so it's really weird


I grew up through the school system thinking I was dumb too because I had trouble with math and attention/motivation. And everyone labeled me as dumb because of it, so anytime I talked about what I liked and studied a lot I was shot down as " just trying to sound smart " because nobody understood it. Turns out that I am actually pretty smart... only took until my first semester in college and talking with professors to realize that I wasn't just delusional and arrogant. I just didn't do well in the normal/boring structure of things. Even now I still get C's in classes where I get A's on exams, but often miss homework and certain labs because I am too busy with researching and studying what I enjoy.


Hint: If people tell you that you are wrong, or that you are stupid, and they can't tell you why... it's probably not true at all, and they are very possibly just incapable of comprehending it.



25 Feb 2009, 7:37 pm

I doubt he was the dumbest in the class. It was the 1800's then so people didn't understand disabilities and stuff so they thought back then you were dumb if you were different. If you had a learning disability, you were seen as dumb. If you had ADD, you were seen as dumb, if you learned differently which is considered a learning disability, you were seen as dumb because you couldn't learn like the other kids. It was still that way even in the early 1900's. ret*d people were considered idiots, morons, because of their low IQ, people with physical disabilities were considered idiots too.



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25 Feb 2009, 7:43 pm

Actually, sorry to disappoint but the "dumbest in the class" and "expelled" stories are urban myths.

From: http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2004/06/23/1115185.htm?site=science/greatmomentsinscience

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In 1896, which was Einstein's last year at the school in Aargau, the school's system of marking was reversed.

A grading of "6", which had previously been the lowest mark, was now the highest mark. And so, a grading of "1", which had been the highest mark, was now the lowest mark.

And so, anybody looking up Einstein's grades would see that he had scored lots of grades around "1" - which under the new marking scheme, meant a "fail".


Also... about the "failing"

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein#Youth_and_college

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Rather than completing high school, Einstein decided to apply directly to the Eidgenössische Polytechnische Schule (later Eidgenössische Technische Hochschule (ETH)) in Zürich, Switzerland. Lacking a school certificate, he was required to take an entrance examination, which he did not pass, although he got exceptional marks in mathematics and physics.[9] Einstein wrote that it was in that same year, at age 16, that he first performed his famous thought experiment visualizing traveling alongside a beam of light (Einstein 1979).



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25 Feb 2009, 7:53 pm

UndercoverAlien wrote:
Did einstein suddenly became a genius? He was the dumbest of his class but was considerd one of the smartest person at adult age, how the hell is this possible? He played with his violin, but how can that change anything to the iq, expecially so much? This might be helpful to me, i really need alot of info ^^

He's an example of someone who "caught up". He started out developing slowly but once he caught up there was no stopping him. It's pretty amazing, isn't it?



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25 Feb 2009, 10:01 pm

At university he slacked off and did his own thing and barely passed his finals. I think he was already developing his theories at the time. I think some gifted people just don't bother much with the system - they find it boring.

If you really want the facts, there are plenty of bios in the library.