New study on Oxytocin and facial recognition

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07 Jan 2009, 4:22 pm

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Researchers have discovered that Oxytocin, a hormone well known for its role in helping mothers to bond with their babies during breastfeeding, is also involved in helping people recognise familiar faces.

The findings are the first time to shown the hormone in important in helping to remember social interaction.

"Recognising a familiar face is a crucial feature of successful social interaction in humans," said Dr Peter Klaver at the University of Zurich, the senior author of the new study, which was led by Ulrike Rimmele, PhD, at New York University. "In this study, we investigated for the first time the systematic effect of oxytocin on social memory in humans."

Dr Klaver and his colleagues had the study participants use a nasal spray containing either oxytocin or a placebo and then showed them images of faces and inanimate objects, including houses, sculptures, and landscapes.

Participants were given a surprise test when they returned the next day - they were shown some of the images they had seen the day before as well as some new ones and were asked to distinguish between images that were "new," images that they specifically "remembered" being show the previous day.

The volunteers who used the oxytocin spray more accurately recognised the faces they had seen before than did those in the placebo group.

Dr Larry Young at Emory University, an expert on oxytocin who was not involved in the study, which was published in the Journal of Neuroscience, said the results had wide implications.

He said: "This has important implications for disorders such as autism, where social information processing is clearly impaired."


Hmmm, where can I get me some of this magic nasal spray?



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07 Jan 2009, 4:30 pm

You can massage your nipples to produce that hormone. That is if your milk ducts have already been activated from being pregnant. I still produce some milk. If you massage your milk ducts like that late in pregnancy it actually helps to speed up your contractions.

As for remembering faces, I think my memory was more acute during the bonding stage. I was relaxed and probably had a false perception that everyone was just so kind.


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07 Jan 2009, 4:51 pm

isnt oxycotin a painkiller?



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07 Jan 2009, 4:54 pm

bonez wrote:
isnt oxycotin a painkiller?

Oxycotin is yes, but we're talking about oxytocin.

Anyway, the results of this study are hardly surprising, it's been long known that OT is involved in many processes related to social functioning.



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07 Jan 2009, 5:09 pm

I keep seeing these kinds of reports about oxytocin, but I don't get how it could be having central effects, since

1) it has a half-life in the body of 1-6 minutes^1 (which is why when used to induce labor it's put in a bag of saline and slowly infused)

2) it doesn't (much) pass through the blood brain barrier^2

Seems like the method mentioned above (or giving birth or nursing) would be about the only ways to really get a good dose into the brain.

As far as getting it, it's sometimes is (or was) used as a treatment for fibromyalgia -- I once was scripted 30 ampules a month of it. The effects were underwhemling (both for the fibro as well any bonding type feelings. It just felt like a weak version of how I feel when I see/pet my pets) so I gave up on it after a month.

^1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxytocin

^2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxytocin#Drug_forms



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07 Jan 2009, 6:55 pm

If oxytocin affects something else that does pass through the blood-brain barrier, there could be an indirect effect. Or they could use big doses.

So... what, this is like Ritalin for the face-blind?


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07 Jan 2009, 7:23 pm

l-arginine causes the brain to release oxtocin.



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06 Mar 2009, 1:24 pm

There is in the meanwhile on Youtube an talk regarding this issue on the UC-channel by Dr. Hollanders:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEAgT91XV5A[/youtube]



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06 Mar 2009, 3:03 pm

Dussel

THANKS SO MUCH FOR POSTING THAT YOUTUBE. Wow!! Very very interesting indeed. Something I had been thinking about, that I think is highly relevant.
Many thanks for taking the time. I have sent it onto many people so expect some more hits. Brilliant :)



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06 Mar 2009, 4:19 pm

Wow! Extremely interesting. I wish I had the time to watch it all right now



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06 Mar 2009, 7:05 pm

Hollander et al. (2003) did a study about nasal oxytocin infusion and Asperger's, so I'm surprised that this study is being considered novel. The results of the Hollander et al. (2003) study were very interesting: Obsessive-compulsive behaviors in those with AS significantly decreased with oxytocin, but when people with OCD got oxytocin, their OC behaviors significantly increased. It makes me wonder how those of us with both AS and OCD would react.
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06 Mar 2009, 8:41 pm

OddDuckNash99 wrote:
Hollander et al. (2003) did a study about nasal oxytocin infusion and Asperger's, so I'm surprised that this study is being considered novel. The results of the Hollander et al. (2003) study were very interesting: Obsessive-compulsive behaviors in those with AS significantly decreased with oxytocin, but when people with OCD got oxytocin, their OC behaviors significantly increased. It makes me wonder how those of us with both AS and OCD would react.
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They would perhaps become calmer, less anxious, find social situations easier but not be able to attend because their obsession takes over! Seems it could be counterproductive!! :) Bit of a shame really as a lot of folk on the spectrum do have OCD tendencies! It would be awful to exacerbate an already distressing condition.

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06 Mar 2009, 8:42 pm

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The results of the Hollander et al. (2003) study were very interesting: Obsessive-compulsive behaviors in those with AS significantly decreased with oxytocin, but when people with OCD got oxytocin, their OC behaviors significantly increased. It makes me wonder how those of us with both AS and OCD would react.


Actually they addressed that in the video. Higher complexity repetitive behaviors like washing your hands, sorting things into the correct order, etc. actually increased in both groups. The less complex repetitive behaviors, such as rocking back and forth (seen in autism, but not OCD) actually decreased.

So when they say that the repetitive behaviors in autism decreased they were referring to a decrease of simple stims, not the OCD traits like organizing and sorting.



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06 Mar 2009, 8:51 pm

Yes they were referring to stims, particulary harmful ones which is why I can see where the misunderstanding may well have happened. Harmful stims are often seen to be as obsessive and compulsive.

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06 Mar 2009, 9:08 pm

I don't know that decreasing stims would be a good thing. I stim most obviously and most vigorously when I'm thinking most clearly and efficiently; it's very common to see me doing a difficult math or science assignment while in constant motion. If I were to "relax", and not "need" to stim anymore, I'd also lose the mental acuity that lets me understand and process logical information. Sure, I might not be as physically tense; but you do need a certain level of tension to work at your peak performance. That's why many people drink coffee; it increases your "alert" level and lets you call on more mental resources than usual. If oxytocin makes you feel more relaxed, it could really backfire. Sure, being too alert and on-edge is bad, too, and decreases your performance; but that's not the main problem for me. Usually, I'm dealing with inertia.

Here's an interesting thing with oxytocin: In my anatomy class, the official word seems to be that nobody knows what oxytocin does in men, nor what the effects of producing too much or not enough of it are. So either the newer stuff hasn't filtered down to the undergrad level (likely enough) or nothing's conclusive yet.


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06 Mar 2009, 9:39 pm

Tracker wrote:
Actually they addressed that in the video. Higher complexity repetitive behaviors like washing your hands, sorting things into the correct order, etc. actually increased in both groups. The less complex repetitive behaviors, such as rocking back and forth (seen in autism, but not OCD) actually decreased.

So when they say that the repetitive behaviors in autism decreased they were referring to a decrease of simple stims, not the OCD traits like organizing and sorting.


So fare I understood the video he did not claim to had a treatment, but showed that oxytocin had a strong influence in the working of the amygdala, also an animals, and recognition of faces and their expression. I do not think it is a ready-made treatment for some of the short-comings of being an Autist, but least it shows hints of the way the brain chemistry influences our behaviour pattern, besides "hard wiring".

It had to be also seen in respect of studies which suggest that we have differently developed amygdalas. In the beginning of the video Dr Hollanders describes the assumption that a whole of gene plays a role, so it not very surprising that more than one factor is interacting. Also: No Austist is like the other one; we have common patterns, but to a very different extent. In my my case to emotional functions and social interactions are quite outside the norm, whilst I do not have any sensory abnormalities, except a very high pain threshold.

Perhaps it is first step for a treatment of very low functioning people.