5 Year Old Autistic Girl threatened with an ASBO

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20 Mar 2009, 1:46 pm

Not sure whether or not to laugh or cry here.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... dults.html



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20 Mar 2009, 2:08 pm

What the heck is an asbo?

Those tiny children are not capable of the terror claimed.


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20 Mar 2009, 2:13 pm

It is absolutely unfathomable that a police officer can look a mother in the eye and say with a straight face that here toddlers were engaging in this behaviour. One would think that a professional officer of the law just might have some clue of what two-year-olds were capable of and what just might be beyond their immense powers.



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20 Mar 2009, 2:14 pm

whitetiger wrote:
What the heck is an asbo?

Those tiny children are not capable of the terror claimed.

Anti Social Behaviour Order, basically it was a legal way of getting around dealing with people who cause a nuisance. I hate them.



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20 Mar 2009, 3:13 pm

another silly ASBO,discriminative if the behavior was because of her autism,and also discriminative if all of those childrens behavior was 'normal' for children,maybe the neighbours just aren't well suited to living there [dont know which one of them lived there first],maybe the neighbours have got bad windows [like old double glazing or single pane,so they hear the noise more].

Am remember a guy being given an ASBO for having tourettes,his ASBO required him to stay away from his own garden fence or something like that-because his next door neighbours were threatened by his vocal tics,bit silly-they wouldnt give an ASBO to a severely physically disabled person because their regulary used wheelchair adapted car/van makes a beeping noise when reversing-so why should a disability that is seen through behaviors be any different in understanding?


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20 Mar 2009, 3:14 pm

whitetiger wrote:
What the heck is an asbo?

Those tiny children are not capable of the terror claimed.


If I'm reading it right, is a UK thing where someone who repeatedly disturbs the peace can have civil injunction placed on them banning them from certain activities or being in certain locations. For example, if someone is a tagger, they can be banned from even possessing spray paint. Violating the order can get you sent to jail, even for minors.

So in this story, since the 2 year old boy is accused of kicking a football at the neighbors window, he may be barred from playing with any ball or he may not be allowed to play in his family's yard.



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20 Mar 2009, 3:15 pm

It pays to read the article more carefully, before getting too excited.

It looks like a generic letter was sent to several households as a result of a complaint. The letter was mistakenly delivered to the house in question. The police have admitted that. The fact is that the children did NOT receive an ASBO, even by mistake.

It has nothing to do with autism, despite the provocative headline. Just a mistake. We all make those. And don't rule out the possibility of somebody seeking their 15 minutes of fame and bling laden image in the national papers.

In the UK the tabloids are infamous for ignoring or distorting the real issues and making up nonsense like this. I have developed a BS filter than auto-ignores their drivel.


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20 Mar 2009, 3:51 pm

I think the issue here is not whether the ASBO letter was handed out in a mistake but of the ASBO process itself. It seems like this is a way to get around the rights of the individual (if they have any rights in the UK). In a fair process, the accused would have a chance to make their case before an order is issued. In this case, the order is issued without regard to how fair or reasonable it is to the person being given the order (and it removes any oversight from a judge).



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20 Mar 2009, 3:57 pm

whitetiger wrote:
What the heck is an asbo?

Those tiny children are not capable of the terror claimed.


ASBO=Anti-Social Behaviour Order

To make matters worse, a two-year old boy was the
child so threatened. Even if the police admit it were a
screw-up, the damage is already done as far as I am
concerned. Damage to the good name of the police,
damage to the good name of the child, damage all the way
around.



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20 Mar 2009, 4:04 pm

Political correctness gone wrong :(



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20 Mar 2009, 4:09 pm

ManErg wrote:
It pays to read the article more carefully, before getting too excited.

It looks like a generic letter was sent to several households as a result of a complaint. The letter was mistakenly delivered to the house in question. The police have admitted that. The fact is that the children did NOT receive an ASBO, even by mistake.

It has nothing to do with autism, despite the provocative headline. Just a mistake. We all make those. And don't rule out the possibility of somebody seeking their 15 minutes of fame and bling laden image in the national papers.


In the UK the tabloids are infamous for ignoring or distorting the real issues and making up nonsense like this. I have developed a BS filter than auto-ignores their drivel.


It has everything to do with Autism, bear in mind this complaint was made the in the first place. It was not merely monkeys in a room with typewriters. This would never happen to someone for being physically disabled.



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20 Mar 2009, 4:10 pm

HowlingMad1992 wrote:
Political correctness gone wrong :(


it's not 'political correctness' it is a legal tool to curb known troublemakers from making trouble. They said they mis applied the tool of the law.


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20 Mar 2009, 4:15 pm

The Daily Tabloid strikes again! Spreading misinformation across the globe!



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20 Mar 2009, 4:17 pm

sinsboldly wrote:
HowlingMad1992 wrote:
Political correctness gone wrong :(


it's not 'political correctness' it is a legal tool to curb known troublemakers from making trouble. They said they mis applied the tool of the law.



Misapplied this tool? The way RCMP at Vancouver International Airport misapplied their Tasers to Robert Dziekanski?

In both cases, the freedom of police forces to use these tools should be taken away.
Abolish the ASBO, and re-categorize the Taser as lethal force



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20 Mar 2009, 4:35 pm

Kangoogle wrote:
ManErg wrote:
It pays to read the article more carefully, before getting too excited.

It looks like a generic letter was sent to several households as a result of a complaint. The letter was mistakenly delivered to the house in question. The police have admitted that. The fact is that the children did NOT receive an ASBO, even by mistake.

It has nothing to do with autism, despite the provocative headline. Just a mistake. We all make those. And don't rule out the possibility of somebody seeking their 15 minutes of fame and bling laden image in the national papers.


In the UK the tabloids are infamous for ignoring or distorting the real issues and making up nonsense like this. I have developed a BS filter than auto-ignores their drivel.


It has everything to do with Autism, bear in mind this complaint was made the in the first place. It was not merely monkeys in a room with typewriters. This would never happen to someone for being physically disabled.


A warning letter NOT an ASBO, was sent to 4 houses. Nobody was targetting autistic children. The reality was that the letter was sent to the household of the family with an autistic child by mistake. The people sending the letter didn'e even KNOW the child was autistic foe heaven;s sake. Are you saying that NT's never have mistakes made against them? Never recieve a letter by mistake? You are paranoid if you believe this is.

If you actually READ the article instead of whoopin' 'n' holerin' and trying to inflame the emotions of the posse, the autism angle is totally irrelevant! We all make mistakes, so why don't you who have jumped to the incorrect conclusion that some sort of autistic victimisation has gone on admit your mistake? And then go and fight the real discrimination against autistic children such as those who are being given aversion therapy to stop stims, and those who are being forced to be social against their will.

And for anybody who doesn't like ASBO's, I hope karma does it's work and when you are old and infirm, you get the crack addicts from hell living next door to you :twisted:


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20 Mar 2009, 4:37 pm

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The Daily Tabloid strikes again! Spreading misinformation across the globe!


Aided and abetted fully by WP members putting there own fantasy spin on it. :)


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