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14 Jun 2009, 7:12 am

What are the figures?

In America the percentage of children with autism or personality disorders or attention defect is going through the roof.

Is it shared equally? What are the statistics between white/black/hispanic/oriental etc?

And what does that mean for their "home countries"?

That is, if oriental couples in America are having autistic children at a higher percentage than their cousins in China then why?



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14 Jun 2009, 7:25 am

We Germans still stick to well-known figures as there are no newer studies concerning Germany:

6-7 in 1000

There aren't that many autistic people here though as in the US. So 6-7 to 1000 seems more reasonable to me than 1 in 150.

It's not like you'll meet another diagnosed autistic person wherever you go here or even when you look out for them. There are also usually no diagnosed autistic people in normal schools.


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14 Jun 2009, 7:51 am

I think the 1 in 150 figure is a bit of a pipe dream. Based off numbers, there should have been 9 other auties/aspies in secondary school, yet as far as i'm aware i was the only one.

I've read somewhere that the figure for autism are larger in the white population.



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14 Jun 2009, 8:16 am

if there are any differences in the amount of autist per race,it would probably be down to things like how good each countries' ASD awareness and assessment is,how a race would view and accept an ASD,any religeon differences that may affect view of ASDs etc.


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14 Jun 2009, 9:17 am

Sora wrote:
We Germans still stick to well-known figures as there are no newer studies concerning Germany:

6-7 in 1000

There aren't that many autistic people here though as in the US. So 6-7 to 1000 seems more reasonable to me than 1 in 150.

It's not like you'll meet another diagnosed autistic person wherever you go here or even when you look out for them. There are also usually no diagnosed autistic people in normal schools.


Isn't 1 in 150 about 6.67 in 1000?

The definition of autism is now SO inclusive, that MANY could be thought to be autistic.



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14 Jun 2009, 9:59 am

At my school, out of 1030 people, there are 6 people who are KNOWN to be autistic/AS.
But again, if one were to test the whole school population, you don't know how many more people would come up as autistic.


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14 Jun 2009, 10:15 am

Sora wrote:

It's not like you'll meet another diagnosed autistic person wherever you go here or even when you look out for them. There are also usually no diagnosed autistic people in normal schools.


Is the reason there are no autisic kids in normal schools because they have a policy of keeping the "normal" kids and "not normal" kids seperated?

In the US, prior to about the 1980s, the public schools use to seperate the "special needs" kids from the "normal" kids. They put the "special needs" kids in a seperate school. Since then there has been a change in philisophy and they think it is more important to try and intergrate the kids in the same way that they think it is important to intergrate racial differences.



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14 Jun 2009, 11:10 am

2ukenkerl wrote:
Isn't 1 in 150 about 6.67 in 1000?

The definition of autism is now SO inclusive, that MANY could be thought to be autistic.


Is it?

I try not to think of numbers because maths are a nightmare.

Elaborate official figures are by the way:

1,3 to 2,2 of 1000 have classical autism
1 to 3 of 1000 have AS
3,3 of 1000 have another PDD

Saguaro wrote:
Is the reason there are no autisic kids in normal schools because they have a policy of keeping the "normal" kids and "not normal" kids seperated?

In the US, prior to about the 1980s, the public schools use to seperate the "special needs" kids from the "normal" kids. They put the "special needs" kids in a seperate school. Since then there has been a change in philisophy and they think it is more important to try and intergrate the kids in the same way that they think it is important to intergrate racial differences.


Integration isn't wide spread but autism is also a special problem.

Officially inclusion is welcomed and everybody wants it, but in reality it's very hard and in some areas (like here) about impossible to get a regular kid with AS that needs some kind of special support into a regular school.

There are integrative elementary schools and Hauptschulen (easiest/lowest school form of 4 here) but they do not usually take kids with AS. There are mostly students with LDs, MR, emotional/behavioural issues, AD(H)D. To get a child with AS into an integrative school it requires... whatever that's called. Basically a person that accompanies them for the whole day. And the city will try to get out of that because these people are expensive.

There are some special schools around here, but one is for the emotional/behavioural disordered that cannot attend a regular classroom, another for the learning-disabled and one for those with severe special needs/multiple disabilities or forms of MR. Those with MFA to LFA go here too usually.

Students with AS however do not fit in either of these special schools.

Basically, schools and the city try to ignore those with AS because there are almost no children diagnosed with it anyway.

If a child with AS is diagnosed at age 8-10 already that's incredible for where I live.


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14 Jun 2009, 11:15 am

KingdomOfRats wrote:
if there are any differences in the amount of autist per race,it would probably be down to things like how good each countries' ASD awareness and assessment is,how a race would view and accept an ASD,any religeon differences that may affect view of ASDs etc.


Not to mention access to diagnostic services.

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14 Jun 2009, 11:21 am

Sora wrote:
2ukenkerl wrote:
Isn't 1 in 150 about 6.67 in 1000?

The definition of autism is now SO inclusive, that MANY could be thought to be autistic.


Is it?

I try not to think of numbers because maths are a nightmare.

Elaborate official figures are by the way:

1,3 to 2,2 of 1000 have classical autism
1 to 3 of 1000 have AS
3,3 of 1000 have another PDD



150*6.67=1000.5
1*6.67=6.67

6.67/1000=0.00667
1/150=~0.00667
1000/6.67=~149.93
150/1=150

Yep, even with rounding to 2 places, they are VERY close. That is IRONIC! 3 countries, and ALL estimate about the same ratio! One person at a school of 1000 ALSO indicated the same race. Of course, ALL countries have a fair number of whites, ALL are about the same in all relevant respects. So that STILL doesn't answer the question.