Do you find this video promoting autism insulting?

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22 Mar 2009, 5:16 pm

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22 Mar 2009, 5:21 pm

I find it a bit of a generalization, but not insulting since it's real.
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22 Mar 2009, 5:30 pm

Emor wrote:
I find it a bit of a generalization, but not insulting since it's real.
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Ditto.



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22 Mar 2009, 5:31 pm

I just watched the video. Personally, I don't find it insulting. Agreed, this is just one example so might be a generalization. But the vidoe serves a purpose and I totally recognize and understand the scenario.

In all honesty, I've had similar type of events happen to me (not quite like that, but recognizing that pattern). This means an outsider can misinterpret the 'Autistic response' and think something completely erroneous. In this sense, the video serves a real purpose.


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22 Mar 2009, 5:32 pm

There are people with autism who would genuinely act like that.



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22 Mar 2009, 5:47 pm

My neighbour acts very like how the autistic man did on that video. I don't find it insulting at all. Like others, I do think it's a generalisation but it's one that couldn't be avoided. It does represent some people on the autistic spectrum. They would never be able to make a video that represented everyone with ASD, that would be like making a video for every type of NT. It's just impossible.


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22 Mar 2009, 5:48 pm

I remind more of example one. But people think I am strange for getting upset.



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22 Mar 2009, 6:01 pm

No, I don't find it insulting at all. I know several autistic people who would like that in such a situation, and I think it's good that the NAS is promoting awareness. Besides, the NAS has several other videos, all very different, so it is not promoting the idea that everyone on the autistic spectrum is like this particular man. It has some Asperger videos too. The one about the guy with Aspergers getting on a bus, getting overloaded with sensory information and trying to focus by zoning in on his watch, was one that I personally could identify with.

And it is not generalising, because each video says that people with autism may find a certain situation difficult - they never suggest that all autistic people are like those on the videos. And there is always accompanying text giving more information. My understanding is that each of these videos is simply saying that people on the autistic spectrum perceive the world in a different way and that here is an example of how an autistic person might act in an unusual way and the reasons for it.



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22 Mar 2009, 6:49 pm

Personally, that kind of change would not upset me. But I might be a bit impatient.


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22 Mar 2009, 7:19 pm

am think that is a perfect example of some,the NAS give examples of lots of people on the spectrum,and am have been told by own keyworker from the NAS that no two people- even of the same label and severity-are alike so the NAS are very aware of how the spectrum works [they would have to be,as the 'discoverer' of it-Lorna Wing is a founder member].

am a lot like the man in the video in how he deals with his disruption[though with cars and private minibus instead as cant use public transport].
if things end up not going as planned,am end up getting very violent with whatever it is and self as it overloads head.
if the car door wont open,its usually a child lock problem/nothing that needs bringing in and fixing.

A prof/autie lady am used to live with used to be taken to the gym years ago by two big/tough staff.
she went for a while,and got a plan of what she was going on first/next/next etc,she would actually lift the person off a bit of equipment,if she had finished one and they were on the next,the two staff who went with her then realised it was a bad idea taking her to a place where her already strong muscles were just going to get bigger,and they stopped her going with no warning,wasn't exactly fair starting her on a routine with the gym in the first place.


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22 Mar 2009, 9:43 pm

I think they're missing that not everybody starts shouting and screaming when something like that happens. I've got two possible reactions, and neither would seem "violent"; either I'd start crying, much like a two year old might, or I'd just shut down and stand there because I couldn't figure out what to do or how to react, and so just end up doing nothing at all. I do lose a great deal of my logic during times like that. I'm hardly ever what people might consider "violent"; when I am it is usually either hitting myself or damaging an object, and in those cases it is always due to not being able to escape the situation.

I do have a standard procedure for those times, which helps a little; simply, to find someplace private, sit down, and curl up with my hands over my head. You can't always do that, though. Public transportation is bad like that. You often can't get off, so you're trapped.


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22 Mar 2009, 9:59 pm

I find that any insinuation that this video is insulting as insulting.

I don't yell, curse, or go "Hulk-Smash" at such a thing, but I've seen people with autism do such often in similar events. (I just withdraw into myself rather than lash out.)



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22 Mar 2009, 10:25 pm

Callista wrote:
I think they're missing that not everybody starts shouting and screaming when something like that happens. I've got two possible reactions, and neither would seem "violent"; either I'd start crying, much like a two year old might, or I'd just shut down and stand there because I couldn't figure out what to do or how to react, and so just end up doing nothing at all. I do lose a great deal of my logic during times like that. I'm hardly ever what people might consider "violent"; when I am it is usually either hitting myself or damaging an object, and in those cases it is always due to not being able to escape the situation.

I do have a standard procedure for those times, which helps a little; simply, to find someplace private, sit down, and curl up with my hands over my head. You can't always do that, though. Public transportation is bad like that. You often can't get off, so you're trapped.

Callista,
think it would be impossible to show how everyone acts in one man,every single person on the spectrum would need to have themselves videoed.
though am think the NAS is trying to get across that the spectrum is unique in experiences with their whole think-differently campaign,unlike with some charities/organisations who operate only on either extreme stereotype [profound autism or mild aspergers].


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22 Mar 2009, 10:32 pm

Callista wrote:
I think they're missing that not everybody starts shouting and screaming when something like that happens.


I don't think they are missing that. The fact that they have other videos which show other types of reactions, and that they have text explaining that this is a possible way that someone on the autistic spectrum may react and going on to talk about broader issues, suggests to me that they have quite a comprehensive understanding of the many ways in which ASDs can manifest. Giving specific examples simply makes it more concrete to people.



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22 Mar 2009, 10:40 pm

I guess I'm thinking a little too Aspie here; I like so called "dry" facts. (I think they are delicious facts, personally.) But of course they are trying to communicate to NTs, and many NTs can learn better if they can relate to the subject matter emotionally.


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22 Mar 2009, 11:00 pm

KingdomOfRats wrote:
Callista wrote:
I think they're missing that not everybody starts shouting and screaming when something like that happens. I've got two possible reactions, and neither would seem "violent"; either I'd start crying, much like a two year old might, or I'd just shut down and stand there because I couldn't figure out what to do or how to react, and so just end up doing nothing at all. I do lose a great deal of my logic during times like that. I'm hardly ever what people might consider "violent"; when I am it is usually either hitting myself or damaging an object, and in those cases it is always due to not being able to escape the situation.

I do have a standard procedure for those times, which helps a little; simply, to find someplace private, sit down, and curl up with my hands over my head. You can't always do that, though. Public transportation is bad like that. You often can't get off, so you're trapped.

Callista,
think it would be impossible to show how everyone acts in one man,every single person on the spectrum would need to have themselves videoed.
though am think the NAS is trying to get across that the spectrum is unique in experiences with their whole think-differently campaign,unlike with some charities/organisations who operate only on either extreme stereotype [profound autism or mild aspergers].


^ above is true. The video is a portrayal of just ONE isolated event which isn't necessarily indicative of how ALL Autists will respond in that particular situation. Like Danielsmyname, I personally wouldn't respond to a late train in that way either. But I can relate to the Autistic response nevertheless.

Like KoR wrote, Autism, regardless of 'level of functioning' is heterogenous. And Autistic behavior is not 'normal' behavior. This is why the educational video was made, and this has merit.

Just personally, if I may confide, I'm very patient and quiet. But I am meltdown prone (not in a violent way). For example: I have been in lab, accidentally broke a piece of glassware, which REALLY is not an issue - anyone can accidentally drop a piece of glassware - this happens.

But my NT peers would simply sweep up the broken glass, discard appropriately, etc. And it's done and over for them - no big deal. Ok - I'm 'cool headed' in a lab emergency for sure. But a 'small event,' like if/when I drop a piece of glassware, can (1) hurt my senses & (2) be insurmountably distressing for me.

So I can CRY, CRY, and CRY, even curling up on the floor inconsolable and near frantic (yes, this has happened). In this one incident the glass had also cut my hand and I was bleeding profusely - totally disoriented and SCREAMING! Nearly faint from panic - at meltdown level.

How might a 'normal' person interpret this? My point: That video shows one probable scenario that explains, in sum, "The Autistic response may not 'make sense' in terms of 'normal' rules. Be aware." And that's why it's instructional. KingdomOfRats said this: It's overload head in every way and an outsider will not understand this reaction, in whatever manifestation.


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