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18 Apr 2009, 10:00 pm

I have heard NTs refer to me as different, weird, too quiet, snobby ect. It is painful to feel like no matter how hard I try I am a social freek. It doesn't matter that I am fairly well traveled, educated, have a huge heart, like animals, love to learn, enjoy art and music, and cook. NTs only notice that I appear nervous and may stutter, I may stare and not realize it immediately, I am not athletic or as a female one I don't enjoy gossip. So this therefore equals strange which means there is something wrong.

Well lets reverse this. I consider NTs strange as they say one thing and mean another, they rip each other to pieces over nothing, they are not very loyal and quite a few tend to think to highly of themselves. And they think they have x number of friends when in reality if they heard what was said by these friends they would most likely deck them. So those are a few reasons I consider them weird :roll: :?

Back to the question. Are we just to serious? Is it competive to want to be "almost everyone's friend?" Or we trying to convince ourselves that we matter and count becauses x number of Aspies and NTs seem to like us. Or is there OCD coming into play in the case of needing so much reasurrance? Or maybe our expectations and selfset standards in the social department are simply too high and out of reach for the average person? ie We arn't being logical about it...



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18 Apr 2009, 10:56 pm

I think we put unfair expecations on ourselves. My goal upon moving to Oregon was to make one friend. I've been here three months with many acquaintances. I HAVE gone out of my way trying to get people to like me.. knocking myself out as usual.

It's my pattern. I try to be "super-friend" so my freakishness will be overlooked later. It rarely, rarely works.

I agree with you that most NT's have some serious problems with hypocrisy and lack of loyalty.


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18 Apr 2009, 11:24 pm

I think that we are more serious than NT's. They turn everything into a joke. It drives me mad! I don't mind being too serious. I can joke around at times, but I don't overdo it.
I agree with the hypocrisy and lack of loyalty thing too.
Another thing I noticed was that friends let down friends so much. I was on a forum last night and the NT's were talking about how their friends made plans without telling them or chose their bf/gf over them.
Why bother with it, I said.
I don't really care for friends. I am friendly with the people I know and further down the track I might meet more people. For some reason people like me for saying barely anything.



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19 Apr 2009, 12:25 am

that makes sense to me.



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19 Apr 2009, 6:08 am

I'm not a serious person to my friends, as I can rant away randomly to them, but whenever I'm talking to someone I don't know they're lucky to even get a smile out of me. I used to do the whole "well that guys likes me and that guys likes me and he thinks I'm okay..." thing to try make myself feel important, it worked brilliantly at giving me a bit of self-esteem so I could actually have a convo with anyone, albeit about something I didn't realise they didn't care about :lol:


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I agree with you that most NT's have some serious problems with hypocrisy and lack of loyalty.


I second that. I sometimes (accidentally) can be a bit mean to some people, but I feel guilty afterwards. I'm pretty sure a lot of NT's just couldn't give a crap about the people they walk all over :roll: Not saying that aspies don't do thing to, my aspie friend messes around with women and leaves them after, although I know that's because he knows he's unable to have a meaning relationship with them :)



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19 Apr 2009, 6:38 am

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Well lets reverse this. I consider NTs strange as they say one thing and mean another, they rip each other to pieces over nothing, they are not very loyal and quite a few tend to think to highly of themselves. And they think they have x number of friends when in reality if they heard what was said by these friends they would most likely deck them. So those are a few reasons I consider them weird :roll: :?


Not every neurotypical person is like that. And, I was surprised to hear, even NTs suffer from exactly that, it's not as if they didn't care! I was talking to a NT girl some night, and I suspect she was REALLY drunk (or had smoked something illegal, whatever, please don't comment on that), and she complained how everybody was being all smiles on the outside while in truth hating each other and talking behind each others backs, and nobody was being a real friend, and she was really sad about it. I guess it's just not something NTs admit in public. (And that girl would never have said it out loud if she had been sober.) But they know.

I've also heard repeatedly from NTs about me that I was a really friendly, trustworthy, honest and loyal person, and they meant it in a positive way.



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19 Apr 2009, 8:24 am

You sound just like me and I've been called those things a lot too.
I definitely think that on general we are more serious than NTs. People around me seem to joke all the time and I find it very hard to know what to say as it is, never mind when the topic isn't even serious.
I don't understand how some people can be so disloyal, it seems cruel to me. I think that's partly why I like dogs so much; they are generally very loyal to their owners and are normally quite easy to 'read'. I wish I had a dog, lol.



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19 Apr 2009, 9:25 am

Not all Aspies are the same. Perhaps you have reversed traits from others. It can be confuisng, to both the medical community and those of us here interacting with each other.

I encourage you to read this: http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic ... f_empathy_

The final words of the story:

“You can have so much empathy that it’s painful for you, so you have to disengage,” Pavlova says. “Sometimes autistic people are not insensitive; they’re too sensitive.”



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19 Apr 2009, 9:38 am

I can definetly agree with much said here. I know that deep down NTs have the same insecurities and needs as Aspies, but for some unfathomable reason they don't like to show it or even discuss it. Reading different articles or editorials about such subjects only confirms this fact.

Perhaps Aspies run very deep where NTs are able to flit from day to day somehow numbing the pain many of us know as simply being human...I am at present working on my faith in God and loving myself as I have found that NTs will often find the tiniest flaw in a person to complain about. While mostly the compassion I've learned by being NT would shrug my shoulders and say "Is that something really worth making a big issue out of?"

Btw I did the "please everyone bunk" and my advisor in my practium got angry with me and called me a people pleaser to my face. And there begin my journey to find peace with God and myself instead of discovering a source in other flawed people like myself.



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19 Apr 2009, 9:44 am

Pook wrote:
Perhaps Aspies run very deep where NTs are able to flit from day to day somehow numbing the pain many of us know as simply being human...


This is an interesting observation. This could explain why we find it so hard to explain what autism is exactly, and so many NT people say "well, that's not special; I have that too" (the "nonbelievers")

It also fits in with the theory that ASD implies a difficulty in filtering out sensations; perhaps it's not just sensory input, but perhaps we also have trouble filtering out internal turmoil. That might be the reason many of us seem to "overthink" things.



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19 Apr 2009, 3:33 pm

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“You can have so much empathy that it’s painful for you, so you have to disengage,” Pavlova says. “Sometimes autistic people are not insensitive; they’re too sensitive.”


That is like me


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19 Apr 2009, 7:31 pm

About making friends.. My process is to be exactly myself. I tried a lot in school to be popular... but found out they want nothing to do with you after they see who you really are... I learned that if I make myself visually unappealing or weird.... Then the people that come around are much better people that I ever met while trying to be pretty- and I even made friends with some of them. I don't know if that answered the question from the first page but I am trying xD



And I agree 100% and more with sjamaan. I have problems filtering my thoughts and the things around me.



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19 Apr 2009, 11:52 pm

Pook wrote:
I have heard NTs refer to me as different, weird, too quiet, snobby ect. It is painful to feel like no matter how hard I try I am a social freek. It doesn't matter that I am fairly well traveled, educated, have a huge heart, like animals, love to learn, enjoy art and music, and cook. NTs only notice that I appear nervous and may stutter, I may stare and not realize it immediately, I am not athletic or as a female one I don't enjoy gossip. So this therefore equals strange which means there is something wrong.

Well lets reverse this. I consider NTs strange as they say one thing and mean another, they rip each other to pieces over nothing, they are not very loyal and quite a few tend to think to highly of themselves. And they think they have x number of friends when in reality if they heard what was said by these friends they would most likely deck them. So those are a few reasons I consider them weird :roll: :?

Back to the question. Are we just to serious? Is it competive to want to be "almost everyone's friend?" Or we trying to convince ourselves that we matter and count becauses x number of Aspies and NTs seem to like us. Or is there OCD coming into play in the case of needing so much reasurrance? Or maybe our expectations and selfset standards in the social department are simply too high and out of reach for the average person? ie We arn't being logical about it...


I feel the same way. People in HS thought I was a snob. I was just quiet and people think I am too quiet.



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20 Apr 2009, 8:32 pm

I know I've been presumed to be a snob often, but what makes me shake my head is that others have told me I ask too many questions. Anybody else have these problems too :lol:



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21 Apr 2009, 11:39 am

Pook wrote:
I know I've been presumed to be a snob often, but what makes me shake my head is that others have told me I ask too many questions. Anybody else have these problems too :lol:

Same here, pretty much the only form of conversation I can even attempt is the question-answer method, which isn't great because whenever anyone asks me a question I freak out, forget everything I've ever known and go bright red. :oops:



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21 Apr 2009, 11:49 am

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I consider NTs strange as they say one thing and mean another, they rip each other to pieces over nothing, they are not very loyal and quite a few tend to think to highly of themselves. And they think they have x number of friends when in reality if they heard what was said by these friends they would most likely deck them.


Hoooray! Aspies make good friends imho. Much better than many NTs.


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