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timeisdead
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05 Apr 2009, 5:15 am

I was wondering if this was a trait pertaining to AS. I feel no need to conform to social norms and want it my way or the highway. I am also more intrinsically motivated than extrinsically motivated. My thoughts matter more to me than the thoughts of others. I often feel that justice and righteousness are more important than conforming to a pecking order that is morally flawed. I would rather be despised than live my life in misery.



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05 Apr 2009, 5:29 am

fairly common.
although i am surprised by how many on WP say they are highly individualised but are not auto-didacts and go through the usual scenario of uni/college, job 9-5pm, blah blah blah. Those scenarios are and have always been impossible for me.


I also do know of some who have gone through that process and ARE auto-didacts and very individualised and doing research and really interesting things.

I have come across a few here on WP who are very individualised in their approach to life. they know who they are. we have talked about it outside of WP. via emails and skype and...



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05 Apr 2009, 5:33 am

millie wrote:
fairly common.
although i am surprised by how many on WP say they are highly individualised but are not auto-didacts and go through the usual scenario of uni/college, job 9-5pm, blah blah blah. Those scenarios are and have always been impossible for me.


I also do know of some who have gone through that process and ARE auto-didacts and very individualised and doing research and really interesting things.

I have come across a few here on WP who are very individualised in their approach to life. they know who they are. we have talked about it outside of WP. via emails and skype and...


Well, I never found it difficult to go to college ect. I must be extremely AS because I don't feel a need for social approval.



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05 Apr 2009, 8:07 am

^ yeah... it must just depend on whether what you do and study fits with your individualised goals and interests.
and there is no reason why the two cannot overlap. :) it sounds like they have in your case which is a real blessing and great.

i had three attempts at uni and each time dropped out in spite of some excellent grades. It wasn;t so much trouble withthe work - but more executive function and I couldn't handle a routine imposed externally, or the sensory stimulus or the number of people. it was hell.
I suppose we all experience these things in different ways.



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05 Apr 2009, 8:39 am

timeisdead wrote:
I was wondering if this was a trait pertaining to AS. I feel no need to conform to social norms and want it my way or the highway. I am also more intrinsically motivated than extrinsically motivated. My thoughts matter more to me than the thoughts of others. I often feel that justice and righteousness are more important than conforming to a pecking order that is morally flawed. I would rather be despised than live my life in misery.


It is also important not to defecate or urinate on a public way.

And civilized people do not fart in crowded elevators and trams either.

There is an Old Rabinnical saying: Derech eretz kadmat Torah. Translation: Good manners come before God's laws.

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05 Apr 2009, 11:51 am

ruveyn wrote:
timeisdead wrote:
I was wondering if this was a trait pertaining to AS. I feel no need to conform to social norms and want it my way or the highway. I am also more intrinsically motivated than extrinsically motivated. My thoughts matter more to me than the thoughts of others. I often feel that justice and righteousness are more important than conforming to a pecking order that is morally flawed. I would rather be despised than live my life in misery.


It is also important not to defecate or urinate on a public way.

And civilized people do not fart in crowded elevators and trams either.

There is an Old Rabinnical saying: Derech eretz kadmat Torah. Translation: Good manners come before God's laws.

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Who said anything about public defecation? I mean things akin to aggressively questioning or insulting those who wield a lot of social power (If they deserve this treatment) to their faces. I mean not being afraid to stand against the majority and be a one woman army. I mean being unafraid of social consequences.



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05 Apr 2009, 12:00 pm

millie wrote:
^ yeah... it must just depend on whether what you do and study fits with your individualised goals and interests.
and there is no reason why the two cannot overlap. :) it sounds like they have in your case which is a real blessing and great.

i had three attempts at uni and each time dropped out in spite of some excellent grades. It wasn;t so much trouble withthe work - but more executive function and I couldn't handle a routine imposed externally, or the sensory stimulus or the number of people. it was hell.
I suppose we all experience these things in different ways.


What were your majors at the time? Did you find difficulty in choosing the right major?



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05 Apr 2009, 12:07 pm

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05 Apr 2009, 12:09 pm

I'm a highly individualized person and I like to live by my own rules. If somebody tells me what type of person I should be, or how I should live my life, I put that person in their place.


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05 Apr 2009, 12:12 pm

I tried very hard to conform when I was younger.

It caused me as much damdage as if I was trying to live straight when gay.



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07 Apr 2009, 10:06 pm

I don't make an effort to not conform, but I feel that people can tell that I'm different. I don't feel that I could be 'normal' even if someone put me in some stylish clothes and taught me some catchy phrases.



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07 Apr 2009, 11:57 pm

I might actually clarify a little further.

I cannot conform.
i just do not fit anywhere except in my own autistic life and realm.



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08 Apr 2009, 12:28 am

I came to the perfectly sensible realization, very early on, that the standard of normalcy I was being taught was a load of rotting tripe. Now that I have gotten into a good university, I keep meeting people and thinking, "where were you when I was growing up?" Lately, I have been going the other way and trying a little harder to "fit in," but I'm slowly coming to another important realization: it is not "normal," at least around here, to be intolerant toward people over minor eccentricities, and the sort of rude, intolerant behavior I endured as a youth is in fact a sign of a person who might suffer from catastrophic mental illnesses in the future.

In short, I was right from the get-go. The only sense in which I wasn't was that I was in the dark as to where to go from there.



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08 Apr 2009, 3:48 am

I'm pretty sure that an apparent disregard for social norms is part of the criteria for AS.

I don't know if I do this. My life has often swerved away from my control, so I don't know if I'm capable of being conventional - I don't feel as though I've ever had the chance. Or maybe I've had plenty of chances, and have just failed to grasp them. Maybe that's the point.



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08 Apr 2009, 3:58 am

I don't hold anyone up high (certainly not as high or higher than me) but I care for what others say, because playing the social game (rather than destroying everything related to it in sight or being immersed in it like most of the population) means success.

I want success.


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08 Apr 2009, 8:21 am

I was told many times if I don't conform, the world might just swallow me whole.
Well, I didn't.

Perhaps one day it will be my world that will engulf everything. :D