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hermanChess
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13 Apr 2009, 11:54 pm

I've read AS people tend to be hyper realistic, and I'm not sure I match that criteria. I really let my mind go flying most of the time, in the imaginative creative sense, I keep thinking weird stuff, stuff to write in a book. Also I don't have a very "mature" sense of danger, my mother always points that out, I'm not very afraid of being assaulted or robbed most of the times, I never think of that, unless the scenario is a very ugly one. I don't care for news, I tell my mom there is really no ned to being updated by news, I'm more childish than the people at my age, not that I'm not aware of it or can't control it. Also I just seem to take the world as a big joke, today I got really bashed for doing a presentation in such a comedic manner, I just think theres no reason to not have a sense of humour.

The question is, does this have anything to do with being "hyper realistic" which would prove I don't have AS, or is other people just like me?



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14 Apr 2009, 12:10 am

could be you are, just not imagining yourself fitting "hyper realistic"

i am "hyper realistic" but also recognize myself in being very imaginative, having a sense of humor about most stuff etc.
i dont think thats being "unrealistic".

to be realistic means that you understand how the world works, and you wont let yourself be clouded over by wishful thinking.

example:

realistic: the human race will die out. in ten millennia from now, or a hundred, or a million years, but we will dissapear.
unrealistic: not if we colonize mars!

"NT"'s tend to wish-think a lot of stuff. they wish-imagine that killing tons of people will solve some unrelated problem, or that polluting more will reduce pollution if the pollution costs more to make.
theyre often more religious, than aspies.
just some days ago, some toddler in my family made a random "oosh"-ish sound, and they ALL aggreed that the kid said "hush!", and made a big deal about how funny and charming it was to have the toddler tell them to shut up. i was the only one _realistic_ enough to know that the kid just made some random sound, but i kept it to myself, so not to ruin their fragile little fantasy-fun.

i think thats what "hyper realistic" means.


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14 Apr 2009, 12:56 am

I tend to be overly paranoid about things like being robbed and what not; all of the hypothetical "what-ifs" that could go wrong, so I build up my defenses and take every precaution I can think of. I have a realistic, concrete mind. My teachers were always on me for not being "creative" enough in English class. I remember the stories I used to turn in all had the exact same themes and were pretty much the exact same stories except for changing the setting and the names of the characters.

I think that there are two different types of AS individuals; the concrete thinkers, such as myself, and the creative thinkers. I know that I am an absolute concrete thinker. I love facts, words, history, and accumulating information. I love to practice and memorize pieces on the piano by established composers, but I am completely unable to improvise or create my own composition. The problem is that I really can't do anything but recite what I already know or can learn from a book. I can't translate information into an original concept or generate original thought. Even my dreams tend to be low-key, grounded fantasies, such as going to the sink to get a glass of water. I tend to daydream about concrete ideas, such as historical events that have already occured, the baseball game last night, or recalling words from the dictionary. I can't stand anything like Pokemeon or Anime that is sort of "out there." I never think about "weird stuff", and I am a political conservative.

When I was in school I used to fantasise about being the absolute ruler of a country with complete control over his nation's military and economy, such as Charles XII, Napoleon 1, or Frederick the Great. In my mind, I would resimluate his entire reign and reenact all of their campaigns, battles, and policy moves in my head as if I was the one making the decisions. In 9th grade, for example, I spent all day in class daydreaming that I was Louis XIV and I reran his entire reign down to the most minute detail and pretended like I was leading his army against the League of Augsburg as if I was playing Age of Empires. Over a course of 3 months, to the detriment of my personal development, I played out his entire reign and spilled over all the way to the French Revolution. I reenacted every battle in my head and fought all of his wars. As you can see here, there was no creative process, only a resimulation of a prior event, which I think is common in AS people. This combined my love of history and facts, but I wasn't being innovative, I was just retreating to something I liked for comfort in an unfriendly world.

This day, of course I take all precautions for anything, such as making sure I have an army of chapstick tubes around me no matter where I go in case I get chapped lips.

I congratulate you for having a creative mind. I am sure it is much better than what I have.



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14 Apr 2009, 12:58 am

I see. Actually yes, I'm more aware of how the world works, maybe since I pass a lot analyzing and observing social behaviour, politics, and other topics. I'm indeed not religious, I have a very different view of the universe and creation. Also I say to my mom sometimes I should check If I have cancer or something, she says that's not something to be thinking all the time, but I know it's quite possible. I guess that means something.



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14 Apr 2009, 4:40 am

Anxiety, commonly associated with AS, can result in distortions. That would go against the "hyper-realistic" description in some ways. I think I have both aspects in me.

Also, this study might be of interest:

An experimental investigation of the phenomenology of delusional beliefs in people with Asperger Syndrome
(Abell and Hare Autism.2005; 9: 515-531)

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There is evidence that Asperger syndrome is associated with delusional beliefs. Cognitive theories of delusions in psychosis literature propose a central role for impaired theory of mind ability in the development of delusions. The present study investigates the phenomenology of delusional ideation in Asperger syndrome. Fortysix individuals with Asperger syndrome participated and were found to have relatively high levels of delusional ideation, primarily grandiose or persecutory. Factors associated with delusional belief were anxiety, social anxiety and self-consciousness, but not theory of mind ability or autobiographical memory. The findings indicate that delusional belief is a prominent feature in Asperger syndrome, but do not support a mentalization based account. A preliminary cognitive model of delusions in Asperger syndrome is proposed and the theoretical and clinical implications of the findings are discussed.



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14 Apr 2009, 5:57 am

hermanChess wrote:
I see. Actually yes, I'm more aware of how the world works, maybe since I pass a lot analyzing and observing social behaviour, politics, and other topics. I'm indeed not religious, I have a very different view of the universe and creation. Also I say to my mom sometimes I should check If I have cancer or something, she says that's not something to be thinking all the time, but I know it's quite possible. I guess that means something.


I don't take much for granted, not life. I mean I feel like death is a promise and certain, why do people seem so shocked by it in USA culture. I remember expressing this unpopular view openly when Tim Russert died and everyone on Facebook and Twitter seemed so shocked. He is a middle aged (58) overweight, high stres (TV) fat guy?! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Russert - needless to say, doesn't make me friends to talk this way. My positive side is I'm more amazed when some overweight guy (Fats Domino) lives to currently 81 even though he stayed in New Orleans through Katrina - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fats_Domino that's a miracle of life to me :)



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14 Apr 2009, 8:03 am

outlier wrote:

Also, this study might be of interest:

An experimental investigation of the phenomenology of delusional beliefs in people with Asperger Syndrome
(Abell and Hare Autism.2005; 9: 515-531)


I have that. :P



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14 Apr 2009, 11:04 am

What, the study or the delusional beliefs? :lol: :wink:



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14 Apr 2009, 7:48 pm

outlier wrote:
What, the study or the delusional beliefs? :lol: :wink:


The delusions, though maybe been aware of it is contradictory. :idea: