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09 May 2009, 4:25 am

Ok, I am not afraid to talk about my elaborate (non-sexual) fantasies anymore. Ever since i was a kid I have developed long, complicated narratives/scenarios in my head. i spend hours a day pacing back and forth thinking about these and they change over time. some are about me and those are maybe grandiose and self-involved but they don't scare me as much as the general fantasies where I fantasize about historical events or making changes to geographical locations or ...well I don't want to reveal too much.

In Asperger's you are not supposed to have highly developed imaginary play, all I have is very highly developed imaginary worlds that I must go into every day. This maybe more of an NLD/Dyssemia trait?

I am scared of this to be honest because I must do this and I must pace when i do this...for hours every day...it definitely affects my daily functioning.


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09 May 2009, 4:31 am

^^ Yaye, I believe I too very much enjoy developing fantasies and perhaps creating scenarios. ^^ I believe this is a trait of Schizoid and Schizotypal personality disorders, and I perhaps believe that I fit these criteria a greater amount amount than that for High Functioning Autism, and thus I believe I am rather uncertain concerning my diagnosis. ^^ I am very sorry however as I do not pace when blessed with imagination. I enjoy simply sitting within my happy garden with my two kitties and considering the possibilities of the imagination, and also considering all which is around me.



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09 May 2009, 4:35 am

I did the exact same sort of thing as a boy with long, drawn out fantasies. I would typically reenact in my head elaborate historically-based scenarios or replay historical events and military campaigns. I would imagine myself as a Napoleonic-type leader of a country who would raise his army and manage his nation and wage pretend war agaisnt foreign powers. I would play out in my head elaborate diplomatic trists and enact military campiagns down to the smallest detail. These fantasies could span months.

What I was doing wasn't really imaginative play, but instead I was only reenacting something that had already been accomplished. There wasn't any new phenomena or concepts being introduced, only a repetition of things that had gone before. Nothing unrealistic or fantastic was included in the script, and events went down to the most realistic detail possible and how close they were to the possible truth. I couldn't bring in wizards or elves or such ridiculous things. I am a very scripted person. This wasn't really make-believe; instead it was just pointless reccollection of facts, details, and events played out in a three-dimensional mental parameter. Nothing outside the boundaries of reality or history was introduced.

I think normal kids play pretend by dressing up or pretending to be someone that they are not. It is practice for future social situations as an adult.

I would enact my fantasies to cope or "space out" in class. If I was stuck somewhere I didn't want to be, I would play out my fantasy to tune out the outside world. It was a way of passing the time and utilizing my interest in geography and history.



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09 May 2009, 4:36 am

I was afraid someone would say that..Schizoid is so friggin scary man....Being an Aspie is a cool little disability....being an NLD'er is just a cool mental condition....but if I am "Schizo" I am scared to death.


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09 May 2009, 4:57 am

mikemmlj wrote:
Ok, I am not afraid to talk about my elaborate (non-sexual) fantasies anymore. Ever since i was a kid I have developed long, complicated narratives/scenarios in my head. i spend hours a day pacing back and forth thinking about these and they change over time. some are about me and those are maybe grandiose and self-involved but they don't scare me as much as the general fantasies where I fantasize about historical events or making changes to geographical locations or ...well I don't want to reveal too much.

In Asperger's you are not supposed to have highly developed imaginary play, all I have is very highly developed imaginary worlds that I must go into every day. This maybe more of an NLD/Dyssemia trait?

I am scared of this to be honest because I must do this and I must pace when i do this...for hours every day...it definitely affects my daily functioning.


You are simply a daydreamer, lots of people are like this but wouldn't say so publically, truth be told you find your mind and mental world more interesting then the real one, because you like developing ideas/stories/narratives, etc. I know because often times when I'm not busy I get similarly. It's like your mind is constantly in creative overdrive.

The whole idea that aspies don't have imagintive play is the lack of information in the research community on AS, I mean if I'm an AS person and I live in my head most of the time am I going to tell a researcher that, and would they even know what questions to ask or what to look for?

Either way it's normal, I think people like us just need a creative outlet, i.e. we'd be taking what we are imagining and writing stories or doing something creative with it.



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09 May 2009, 5:42 am

Tomasu wrote:
^^ Yaye, I believe I too very much enjoy developing fantasies and perhaps creating scenarios. ^^ I believe this is a trait of Schizoid and Schizotypal personality disorders, and I perhaps believe that I fit these criteria a greater amount amount than that for High Functioning Autism, and thus I believe I am rather uncertain concerning my diagnosis. ^^ I am very sorry however as I do not pace when blessed with imagination. I enjoy simply sitting within my happy garden with my two kitties and considering the possibilities of the imagination, and also considering all which is around me.


^ Ditto.

I could just lay around all day and play out my fantasies (I do sometimes...). My imagination truly is my playground, and is so vivid that I often times feel I'm actually in the daydreams. They're usually things that I would like to happen in the future, or sometimes I just play out conversations I'd like to have with people. A lot of times those are when I want to talk to someone about a certain thing, and I find they help me prepare for the actual conversation. I guess you could say I practice my social skills in my head.



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09 May 2009, 6:05 am

mikemmlj wrote:
I was afraid someone would say that..Schizoid is so friggin scary man....Being an Aspie is a cool little disability....being an NLD'er is just a cool mental condition....but if I am "Schizo" I am scared to death.


I don't know if it matters so much. I mean: you are who you are no matter what doctors tell you. It doesn't change who you are and how you operate.



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09 May 2009, 6:40 am

I have this "imagination world" thing too. It could keep me happy for hours when I was younger, I could play all by myself and have great fun. I still do it today, just pacing around. Sometimes while I'm biking (it's a straight road, no attention required). When I was really really young, a few moments of staring out the window might trigger me to space-out for a minute or two while in my imagination world.

I've often tried to write some of it down. But in my imagination, there's hardly any filler. Once the first word hits the paper it's all gone.



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09 May 2009, 9:02 am

i fantasise a lot..
i've kinda developed a long-winded video game concept in my head, but now i wanna play the game :(
also i often play through conversations in my head, except in my mind everyone thinks like me.



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09 May 2009, 9:10 am

I did that too when I was a kid.
My special interest was medicine, and I aspired to be a surgeon. Every night, before falling asleep, I would imagine scenes of myself being a surgeon in an operating room, my relationships with other people, the process, etc. Somehow, my mom found out about this and she thought it was abnormal. She then took me to a child psychologist and I was asked to tell the doctor all about these "fantasies", and after an inspection, the doctor said that I might have a mild form of autism. However, she probably based her decision upon several factors, not just these fantasies.
I still do it from time to time, especially when my mind is overstimulated, but only to a certain degree.



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09 May 2009, 9:18 am

Really?

I feel odd. None of my imaginative stories have me in them. 8O

When I say I imagine out stories, it means I imagine out stories. It's odd, because I'm quite mean to my characters, I wouldn't want to be like any of my them right now:

One is a healer locked up in a mental asylum, One is dying of a new pandemic virus which I created, One has the same virus but got it when it first went around so he is immune, one has magnetic powers but is also dying because of the berserk iron content in her blood, another one is her lover but doesn't love her back. My characters have been burned, stomped on, murdered, diseased, dehydrated, and all matter of horrible things have happened to them.

I lay around all day and play with these scenarios, too. 8O



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09 May 2009, 10:45 am

Yeah, the problem with that was imagination isn't the right term for it. Aspies (as someone on here explained a while back) are very capable of imagination. We lack some sort of social imagination. I guess that is what was meant by that, but I think the psychologists screwed up writing that and now has defaulted to, "Well we meant social imagination" to try to cover it up.

Either way, I get imaginative. Not so much sexual either. It's really when I see something on tv or read an article, I try to imagine how I would handle the situation better. One that I keep going back to frequently everytime I get a new idea on how to handle it or a new concept of something that could happen is being on one of those planes on 9/11 and how I would kill the bad guys and still secure my identity in the process. To be honest, I think a lot about fighting. A, it's a way to release some of my aggressions. Instead of actually beating people up, I imagine it. B, it helps me build my fighting technique as an art. I come up with new moves and such, and really think about the physics of it, and then when I'm in a fight or wrestling around with able fighters (like marines), I try out some of those moves. It's so neat when they work out right. Embarrassing when they don't.

I too can waste a lot of time thinking and imagining. My mother is one of those people who don't think or imagine like I do. In fact, I would be surprised if she imagined anything at all. She just does things. She is always doing something. Like, she and I would be a great team if I planned it and she implemented it. But, we are not a team, so I've been working on the implementation aspects. The Clutter Diet, which is becoming my new philosophy to life, talks about the concept of inertia. An object is at rest until provoked otherwise, and once in motion, it will stay in motion until something causes it to rest. People are like that. I sit for my imaginative moments (usually before bed, but if I'm having a lazy day, yeah, the sofa). So, when I'm sitting, I will continue to do that until something makes me get up, like door bell, bathroom, etc. But, when I'm cleaning, I don't stop unless I decide I need a break no different than having to use the bathroom deal. So, I figure it's a matter of manipulating the intertia concept to work in your favor. I'm trying different things, nothing has really worked yet, but I feel so close. I do admit that I'm getting better with it now because I can recognize it. And, I think it's just a matter of getting into a routine and getting used to that routine.



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09 May 2009, 2:11 pm

I have this. The thing about ASDs is that the people who have them are "supposed" to be humorless and unimaginitive (and I've met some damned funny aspies before) and....

I dunno. I've always been worried that I'm actually schizoid.... which is so f*****g scary because if you're schizoid... can't you always go full-blown schizophrenic at some point?



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09 May 2009, 2:25 pm

i think more people with a.s have well developed imaginations than 'experts' account for.

i read recently- (link on her from KenG- 'doctors failing to spot aspergers in girls') taht women with a.s prefer non fiction books and are really imaginative; so there you are- its coming along already.... do read it- its illuminating on the 'hidden' aspect of imagination in a.s, and teh way that its ignored.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/artic ... xpert.html

im also really imaginative- i think its one of those things that will get re-classified on the criteria- all this crap about a.s being non imaginative and non artistic,a nd perferring non fiction books is bollocks- its a rather narrow, 'male' defination of what a.s can be; there are TONS of creative, artistic people on here,w ho are a.s, not anything else.

lots of people with a.s buck this, and are otherwise fully a.s- suggesting the criteria is too narrow, rather than we're Something Else.



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09 May 2009, 2:52 pm

son i have the same problem. who says you cant have a vivid imagination and arent aspergers? im pretty shure i have aspergers, or nvld. i dont know but my main diagnosis is aspergers/cognative disfunction



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09 May 2009, 3:24 pm

I have that a bit. I think they can be beneficial because they help us prepare for difficult situations.


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