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15 May 2009, 1:32 am

hello,

in the first, I apologize my bad English grammar. I'm coming from Germany and also my German is better than my English.


But, now my topic.

In Germany doctors talks and test a medicine, that they will give in connection with autistic behaviours. the name ist Risperdal. Risperdal is a medicine, that can push you down. If you very agressive to yourself and to the other, the medicine can prevent this.

I mean, that can be the solution, that children must take medicine they push him down.

I'm afraid that with Risperdal, the same begins how Ritalin by ADHS does ....


What do you mean about medicine in context with autism.



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15 May 2009, 1:55 am

Medicine or drugs may help you in some peripheral ways but no drug is available for treating autism itself.

Ich spreche ein bisschen Deutsch, aber besser Hollandisch. Sie konnen drugs nehmen fur die "side effects" von autism aber kein drug is direkt vor autism.

I hope you understood my attempt at German.


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15 May 2009, 2:01 am

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Medicine or drugs may help you in some peripheral ways but no drug is available for treating autism itself.


that's what I mean. But many, many parents think, that medicine and drugs help for treating autism or ADHS.

I think the people goes a wrong way with giving medicine or drugs!


But, what remains to be done?



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15 May 2009, 2:28 am

JFamondt wrote:
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Medicine or drugs may help you in some peripheral ways but no drug is available for treating autism itself.


that's what I mean. But many, many parents think, that medicine and drugs help for treating autism or ADHS.

I think the people goes a wrong way with giving medicine or drugs!


But, what remains to be done?


Not all meds are wrong.

Meds can help so much with many aspects of AD(H)D and autism.

The error many laypeople make when considering meds for these conditions is that they think they will make the AD(H)D and autism itself disappear. Cure it, so to speak. They do not consider that all the meds do is treat several symptoms of the conditions. And then people use the meds incorrectly because the effect the desire (that the disorder is cured) doesn't happen.

I think that if people are out on drugs or if parents put their kids on drugs, it's largely their fault if anything happens to them or their children. They could have inform themselves beforehand instead of going whatever their psychiatrist tells them.

That's just like... 'oh, I drank the pipe cleaner and didn't think and inform myself about what it would do to me before that because my brother told me it'll be good for me and I blindly trust him and others to think for me because I am too lazy to think for myself'.


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15 May 2009, 2:50 am

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I think that if people are out on drugs or if parents put their kids on drugs, it's largely their fault if anything happens to them or their children



I think so. in Germany a few days ago, doctors speak in the television that meds in context with ADHS must not be. they told about a Italienschool teachters make sure no child get Ritalin. and still, it will happen to go.


h_t_t_p://frontal21.zdf.de/ZDFde/inhalt/9/0,1872,7586409,00.html


(you can translate the text in firefox or another translationprogramm - is a very interessting text!)



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15 May 2009, 3:12 am

Well I think in many cases meds are necessary. There are probably just as many cases of children that could go about their days without the meds if adjustment at home, at school and at work would be made.

I myself desperately try to get metylphenidate (Ritaln for example) for my ADHD, because while I'm really good withmanaging my AD(H)D my concentration is just affected too much.

I didn't know that article yet. I'm German too.

About Germany in specific, I think it's ridiculous that prescriptions of Ritalin and other stimulants are sky-rocketing in kids but are absolutely not available officially for anyone past age 18 with AD(H)D.

The people who need the meds don't get them and in their places lots of not-quite AD(H)D preschoolers and kids with mild AD(H)D get the meds in masses.


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15 May 2009, 3:28 am

I think, one of the reason for ADHS is the unstructured society. it's difficult to live in this life without to be crasy :(



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15 May 2009, 3:38 am

JFamondt wrote:
I think, one of the reason for ADHS is the unstructured society. it's difficult to live in this life without to be crasy :(


Well, if that's the cause then it's not ADHD.

It's one of the many causes that must be checked for and if they are found to cause/explain the symptoms, then a diagnosis of ADHD should not be made.

ADHD is the diagnosis that should only be made if various mental and physical disorders (that can a child or adult behave similar to someone with AD(H)D ) are checked for and do not cause the behaviour.

I don't doubt many professionals don't take enough time to test for ADHD and just misdiagnose lots of children with it.


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15 May 2009, 1:16 pm

Psychiatric medication needs to be prescribed with more care, particularly antipsychotics. They're the modern day equivalent of incarceration and restraint, chemical instead of psychical. Too many people's lives are destroyed by mind dulling antipsychotics, particularly people with ASD.

While it may quell aggression in autistics, to the benefit of others mostly, nobody deserves to be dumbed down and made to live in a lifeless stupor due to drugs.

I've read a number of articles and heard from a specialist that many antipsychotics cause more negative side affects in people with ASD than they do neurotypicals.


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