Why move out at 18?

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Why move out at 18 and take $600 dollar credit hour courses when you can live at home and take courses from anywhere from $60 at the community college to $195 at a 4 year career college? I would rather be looked down upon and have no debt than to lose an enormous amount of money due to expensive college tuition and the piling interest of Stafford loans.

People who look down on those living with their parents are narrow minded and generally very mediocre people without either looks or talent.

I met people from Sweden, the UK, Belgium and Italy who all lived with their parents past the age of 20. However, americans and canadians seem to have a huge problem with this. I don't understand why but I'm happy I don't live across the Atlantic. I know some extreme cases of NT's in Sweden who live at home even at age 29 because it's cheaper and more convenient.

I'm going to move out the same day that my economy improves. When I can buy what I want and still not work, while living on my own, I'm moving. I really want to live on my own but I also don't want to sacrifice my luxury budget for necessary life maintenance cost.

Last edited by Zoonic on 23 May 2009, 2:41 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Exactly. Why slave away while the debt continues to pile up? Independence? Are they truly independent if they are in debt for 15 or so years?

No they aren't independent if in debt. Being indebted is modern slavery. Having obligations just to maintain your own living is slavery as well. It's just a case of stupid pride and people using "independence" as a way of trying to make themselves seem better than others. Those who truly appreciate life learn to not care. They don't judge people by their diplomas and how fast they finish an education/get a job etc.

I've noticed this aswell.

It's really nothing out of the ordinary to live with you parents well into your twenties here. Alot of people just can afford to live independently anyhow. Even if I wanted to move out and had a full time job, I couldn't afford to live as comfortably as I do now. I'd much rather wait until I had the resources to live somewhere other than a rented bedsit.

But anyway, it's not anywhere near as frowned upon here as it is across the Atlantic.

They tend to treat life as if it were some kind of race. I could have a bachelor's the traditional year one receives it but it likely wouldn't offer me a great source of job opportunities in this ailing economy. I dropped out the first semester of one career program because of the lack of job opportunities, the lack of independence on the job, and due to a lack of pay for the education required. In 2 years, I will have several in-demand career options to fall back on, as well as the opportunity for advancement.

A lot of european youths are strongly influenced by american concepts, usually with negative meaning, such as "basement dwellers" and this is slowly seeping into our societies as well. Europe is funny in that it has its' own range of cultures and societies, people LIVE one way, but they think another way. Everyday life is based on european society and tradition while modern popular thinking is transatlantically influenced. Most of the derogatory terms used by young people to describe various types of social stigma are borrowed from the US.
I'm not happy at all with this development.

The term basement dweller is a perfect example. Most europeans don't even have basements the same way as it's standard in the US. The entire term is misleading but has achieved a universal meaning. I think this conflicts with European society.

Last edited by Zoonic on 23 May 2009, 3:02 pm, edited 2 times in total.

Don't take this literally but people who think life is a race and just talk shallowly about their careers really should need to take a break and go live in a cabin in the mountains, isolated, for half a decade. It would make them grow mentally and learn to get more perspective on existence.

I made the decision to choose recession-proof careers with more flexible scheduling. The housing prices are rapidly falling and it's frugally best to buy during an economic slump. My county has a 15% unemployment rate. I know people with bachelor's degrees working in pizza shops or in fast food. I for one refuse to take any chances.

for me (on incapacitybenefit in the UK) , i live with my mother, also on benefits and living in a council house (i beleve you americans would call me "white trash" or "trailor thash") it is actually MORE expensive to stay where i am as i do not get any help with housing costs and my mother has money deducted for having a "non dependent child" living with her.
for me i think it's more of a comfort thing staying here.

I think a lot of people move out so they can begin conducting their lives as sexually active adults. How do all the Europeans who live with their parents accomplish that, exactly? Is it normal to just bring your lovers home to sleep with you in your same childhood bedroom, or what?

actually, as a european i can't speak for all of us, but for me i don't have one as (lame excuce) i dont feel comfortable doing anything in front of my mum (single parent) that includes stupid stuff like playing computer games, surfing or even watching TV (even if i know we are watching the same programme)

I hope something good will happen to you soon. Life isn't easy.

Also, good point about the sex. I used to go to other people's apartments/houses but the last few years I didn't have sex at all. Once I move out of here I'm going to resume my sexual life. However, I do know some people who were around 20 and brought their gf/bf home to the childhood bedroom. One of these people just moved to Japan one day and started an independent life, married a woman etc when he was around 23. So, unlike what those who live under the fixed idea that not moving out at 18 means you don't have what it takes to be independent believe, there are no clear boundaries as far as I know. Both my brother and sister had their gf/bf staying at the family home when they were around 19-20, but since then they both moved out as well.

I was personally never okay with bringing home people like that and I felt uncomfortable while my siblings still lived at home. I never ever brought anyone home myself and I will keep waiting until I move before I go sexually active again.

Last edited by Zoonic on 23 May 2009, 8:31 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Thanks!!:)
most forums i go to seem to have more trolls than genuine members, i hope i can find simular suport throughout my stay here.

No.

The usual is to have sex in car.

I personally wish to move out because I am fed up with my parents controlling my life. I hate having my mom interrogate every step I choose to take. Moreover, she is not punctual like I am; therefore, she often wakes up late and does not prepare breakfast at the exact time that I need it. The kitchen is tiny and crowded all the time, and I don't like going there and cooking my own meals. If I move out, I could live my life on my own terms and more consistently, and I wouldn't have to talk to my parents all the time. This way, can buy my own groceries on a certain schedule to make sure I don't run out of food supplies randomly. I also want to make shopping lists, which my parents never do and as a result they forget to buy important things. It makes me very, VERY angry.
I'm just tired with dealing with additional people at home after coming home from work/school. My father is often very difficult to deal with, and my mom is too forgetful and almost always mentions things at the last minute, which is very annoying as well.