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15 Aug 2007, 10:03 pm

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Aye. In my state there are a lot of meth users. I can't believe people would use that crap. People in my state make it in homes where children are present! I wish the governments did more to combat meth, or any drug that hurts you for that matter.


Not the governments job to keep you from f***ing yourself up. Freedom of chioce includes freedom to destroy yourself.


Drugs have an effect on families, and don't just destroy the lives of meth users. Plus, the drug is monstrous, and it needs to be purged from the streets by whatever means neccessary, just like all the other abominations of recreational chemicals. People should know that it's wrong and stupid to screw yourself up in such a way.


1. There are services for those families to help them recover

2. Violates the first amendment of the US consitution. You have the freedom to f**k yourself up as you see fit.

3. Even if it is wrong and stupid it's not the governments job to stop you.


That's very naive of you, Flagg. I'm doing a thesis on drug abuse and genetics.

Some points:

*If a drug user has a family, and they're not involved with drugs, it can be very bad. Ranging from financial trouble, to being disreputed in the neighbourhood, to being threatened by their own flesh and blood, to murder.

*Freedom to f*** yourself up, maybe, but many drug addicts also f*** others up, and they certainly do not have the freedom to do that, and they certainly won't care while under the influence.

*Finally, if it is the government's job to make sure its populace is safe, then they can and should stop you from taking drugs (and thus possibly endangering others).


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15 Aug 2007, 10:13 pm

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Aye. In my state there are a lot of meth users. I can't believe people would use that crap. People in my state make it in homes where children are present! I wish the governments did more to combat meth, or any drug that hurts you for that matter.


Not the governments job to keep you from f***ing yourself up. Freedom of chioce includes freedom to destroy yourself.


Drugs have an effect on families, and don't just destroy the lives of meth users. Plus, the drug is monstrous, and it needs to be purged from the streets by whatever means neccessary, just like all the other abominations of recreational chemicals. People should know that it's wrong and stupid to screw yourself up in such a way.


1. There are services for those families to help them recover

2. Violates the first amendment of the US consitution. You have the freedom to f**k yourself up as you see fit.

3. Even if it is wrong and stupid it's not the governments job to stop you.


1. By then it's too late, government action could have prevented the drugs from ruining a person's life and wrecking their family.

2. Too bad that the first amendment says nothing of the sort, it mainly refers to religion, free speech, and freedom of association. And I'm not even in the USA.

3. Governments have a duty to protect their citizens.


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16 Aug 2007, 12:43 am

Post #2,001!

The year 2001, was of course, a memorable one...good and bad. I had booked the same flight out of Dulles to LAX for the morning of Monday, 10 September 2001, but cancelled the trip a week earlier. I still have the memo pad where I had written down the Flight #. A family friend was a pilot for UAL and was the pilot on that flight, just one day earlier. My brother-in-law, who worked in mid-town Manhattan, was supposed to go to the gym that fateful morning in the third building that fell, but was running late to work and skipped his workout. He witnessed both planes from his office. We could not get in touch with him until late that evening. My Father was across the street from the Pentagon when it was hit. The base in Virginia I worked at was evacuated. It was definitely surreal. I know people who knew people. It was rough.

The Miami Hurricane Football Team went undefeated and won their 5th National Championship, winning the Rose Bowl, which I was fortunate enough to attend. Their unbeaten streak, carrying over from 2000, would continue through the 2002 regular season. The Miami Hurricane Baseball Team won their 4th College World Series Title, finishing the season with a huge undefeated streak all the way through the Regional, Super Regional, and World Series. The New England Patriots ran the tables down the stretch and went into the playoffs hot, winning Super Bowl XXXVI in 2002.

Music from 2001:
The Charlatans UK "Wonderland"
Cracker "Forever"
Depeche Mode "Exciter"
Dropkick Murphys "Sing Loud, Sing Proud!"
Jeep "Jeep"
Midnight Oil "Capricornia"
The Ocean Blue "Davy Jones' Locker"
Rollins Band "Nice"
The Samples "Landing On The Sidewalk" - Got screwed and lost the rights to their early songs, so they started rerecording them so they owned them.
The Samples "Sparta" - Same on this album.
The Samples "Return To Earth" - Brand new independent album with a new distributor.
Seven Mary Three "The Economy Of Sound" - Mammoth collapsed and Atlantic was not interested in picking them up, but the song 'Wait' ended up in the film Crazy/Beautiful.
Tool "Lateralus"
Tom Askin "Post" - Mr. Askin would go on to support, and then join, The Samples for a few years.

Movies from 2001:
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16 Aug 2007, 1:42 am

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16 Aug 2007, 2:18 am

yvaN_ehT_nioJ wrote:
Aye. In my state there are a lot of meth users. I can't believe people would use that crap. People in my state make it in homes where children are present! I wish the governments did more to combat meth, or any drug that hurts you for that matter.


A lot of meth users here too. One of the signs is a persons teeth almost crumbling apart over time. That's how damaging it is. The main reason that most meth labs are not stopped is because it can take up to 100,000$ per site to clean up all of the toxic chemicals. There isn't enough money for all of the meth labs, so many times they just have to ignore until they have the money.



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16 Aug 2007, 3:11 am

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Post #2,001!

You seem to be having an interesting time with the correlating # of posts to the year thing...

I half suspect that when we get past 2007, you're going to start predicting the future... Acurately. I will pay attention.

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16 Aug 2007, 8:32 am

Ah, crap I started an argument about drugs. Whoops.


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16 Aug 2007, 4:55 pm

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16 Aug 2007, 6:44 pm

"To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;
A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace."

Who is the author of the above quote?



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16 Aug 2007, 6:46 pm

It's from the Bible, I've just forgotten exactly where. It's either in Proverbs or Psalms.


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16 Aug 2007, 7:21 pm

Ecclesiastes 3:1-8.

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16 Aug 2007, 8:22 pm

Neither of those were valid answers. That is where it's from though. Who wrote it?



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16 Aug 2007, 8:37 pm

Jigga-WHA? You mean it wasn't Ecclesiastes who wrote it? :wink: