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27 Sep 2015, 11:59 am

Oddly enough, they have met more resistance to being their own person as adults than they did as children. Both of my boys present with symptoms on the spectrum (one more severe than the other); however, thankfully, we were ignorant when they were young about what exactly autism was. We knew they were over the top with ADHD (raising two was like a dozen) and had serious quirks which we rolled with at the time (not easy). I never batted an eyelash and usually was proud if someone had something to say about my child being "weird, odd, different, unique, or any other type of descriptor you want to use".

I realize that is probably because I was never a conformist, didn't believe in being a conformist, and didn't teach my children to be conformists (with the one exception of follow all rules regarding military life -- no exceptions there). I am sometimes thankful that neither was diagnosed and made to conform, I feel as though it might have limited them. One is in business, and the other (the one with more severe symptoms) is in the military. He laughs because when I told him about my diagnosis, he said,"Mom, they call me they call me their autistic techie."

I used to be a major apologizer, but I was told to never apologize for something I would do again (even if it was bad/wrong). I wouldn't have been ashamed to have said that in front of that kid's mother. My husband (NT) would have probably sugar coated it a bit more nicely and still said something similar. I probably would have told her to lighten up and realize the kid knows he's different and yes, he's got challenges, but learn to roll with it. Everyone has "issues" and "challenges" and he needs to learn it is okay. I just do not believe in being protective; advocating, yes, but not keeping them safe from the world. I most certainly do not take things personally, unless I know it is an outright personal attack (on me or my family), and then it just gets downright ugly from there!



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28 Sep 2015, 1:40 pm

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I dunno, anybody else find something wrong with a teacher telling a little kid "you are weird, and that's okay?"

To me, it's self-evidently negative. Most people use the word "weird" in an exclusionary manner - meaning "not like us" or "not of us."


I'm with you. Personally, I do not like this name-calling approach. A mean/misguided person once called me "weird" to purposefully hurt me. Yes, it's exclusionary....& can be downright belittling.

Now, if it's among understanding adults &/or friends who are genuine with good intentions, okay. But I don't think a child needs to be labelled "weird" by any teacher.


Somehow we got a long way away from the OP here. What "name calling" are we talking about? It seems to be entirely imaginary. The real incident was not a teacher saying "you are weird" but an atypical adult telling an atypical young person "embrace your weirdness" and an (it would seem) typical adult saying "how dare you!" to the adult.

I think the NT adult is in denial and understands little. I think the sad story of the abusive teacher is fiction and a diversion from the main point: is it better to pretend to be normal or embrace your peculiarities?

I think the answer is that it's good to know how to behave in ways that doesn't draw negative attention, at least enough to get by and otherwise make the most of your peculiar strengths.


Thanks for all the insightful responses. To clarify: the child was not present! My husband was just relating stories to the parent in the hopes of making her feel more at ease with her son's diagnosis. Unfortunately it backfired!



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28 Sep 2015, 1:47 pm

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I love that term and am totally "jacking it" and using it. I not only embrace it, I use it to my advantage. I have learned that if people know that I am Autistic (my preference) then they do not react as though I have grown a third eye and horns if I engage them differently, or react to my surroundings -- yep, all it takes is forgetting the earplugs. I also have found that I am still respected if during a conversation, or an interaction that one of my deficits peek through. I am an intelligent and educated adult; however, every now and then my "Autistic-ness" shines through at times and there is just no hiding it. It is better to educate and allow an individual to assist me rather than have them react and me to feel humiliated.

Let your husband "embrace the weird" and stand by him on it! Don't second guess his decision -- it is him who has to live day-to-day with being on the spectrum. It is you who must come to terms with how he interacts with the world and be alright with it, don't go around making apologies for him.

My personal opinion is that there are too many parents that are hung up on their children being perfect. I taught my children that it was perfectly okay to "march to the tune of your own drum" -- that was my term for, it is okay to be weird.

Oh I definitely stand by him on it! We simply told the mother that we genuinely hoped no one would ever make her son feel bad or call him a weirdo, but adults with ASD sometimes have to have a more pragmatic approach, which can involve things like "embracing the weirdness", especially if people (like your boss!) have already made comments about you being an oddball. She's not talking to me anymore so I guess our friendship wasn't at a place where we could have open conversations together.



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28 Sep 2015, 7:16 pm

Somewhat tangential, anyone have any advice on embracing it? I was brought up to be kind of ashamed of it and now that I'm on my own I'm starting to think perhaps that's not the best way to go through life.



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29 Sep 2015, 2:17 pm

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Somewhat tangential, anyone have any advice on embracing it? I was brought up to be kind of ashamed of it and now that I'm on my own I'm starting to think perhaps that's not the best way to go through life.



You've already started, you are questioning the negative rhetoric.



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29 Sep 2015, 10:49 pm

squirrelonthego wrote:
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Somewhat tangential, anyone have any advice on embracing it? I was brought up to be kind of ashamed of it and now that I'm on my own I'm starting to think perhaps that's not the best way to go through life.


You've already started, you are questioning the negative rhetoric.

Good to know. I take it that it's not something to be rushed, huh?



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29 Sep 2015, 11:03 pm

ProbablyOverthinkingThisUsername wrote:
squirrelonthego wrote:
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Somewhat tangential, anyone have any advice on embracing it? I was brought up to be kind of ashamed of it and now that I'm on my own I'm starting to think perhaps that's not the best way to go through life.


You've already started, you are questioning the negative rhetoric.

Good to know. I take it that it's not something to be rushed, huh?



Not really, no.



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06 Oct 2015, 8:22 pm

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So my questions: If you have a diagnosis, do you "embrace the weirdness?" or do you find that an insulting statement?


Yes, I embrace my weirdness but I've done that for longer than I've been diagnosed with autism. I didn't realize I was categorically Different until my twenties but I knew I was weird in specific ways/in specific contexts....people told me so (many times with affection, kindness, humor and matter-of-factness).

It's not bad to be weird -- it's bad to be unfair, insensitive or cruel to someone just because they're weird. (Or because you perceive them to be weird....weirdness is, after all, a relative thing.....people usually seem to say someone is "weird" when that person is, in some way, different/unusual/unfamiliar/hard to understand.)

I don't think "embrace the weirdness" is an insulting statement -- to me it has an opposite sort of meaning. To me it either means "being weird is perfectly fine" or it expresses a paradigm shift wherein "to embrace the weirdness" is to separate the factual reality of being different from the value judgements, insensitivity and cruelty of those who misunderstand you and those who would intentionally hurt you because you are different. (People can use quite literally anything as an insult if they want to -- they just have to say whatever it is in the right way, at the right time to communicate their intent to be hurtful or insulting.)


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11 Oct 2015, 9:33 am

Kids are usually trained to act less autistic (being more social, having better social skills, not using their coping skills if they would appear bizarre). I wasn't diagnosed until I was an adult but now work with children on the spectrum.

I understand (intellectually) where the NT neighbor is coming from. No one wants their child to have a condition that is going to expose them to hardship, and let's be honest, people are punished for not conforming.

As someone who is autistic myself and had the experience of my NT parent trying to get rid of all my AS symptoms when I didn't see anything wrong with me, I wish adult treatment providers would be nicer to AS children. The things that helped me the most were explanations about "normal" people. I am still learning about NT people and improving my social skills today.

I refuse not to be weird though. I embrace it because no one has the right to tell me I'm wrong just because I'm different.



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11 Oct 2015, 9:34 am

Kids are usually trained to act less autistic (being more social, having better social skills, not using their coping skills if they would appear bizarre). I wasn't diagnosed until I was an adult but now work with children on the spectrum.

I understand (intellectually) where the NT neighbor is coming from. No one wants their child to have a condition that is going to expose them to hardship, and let's be honest, people are punished for not conforming.

As someone who is autistic myself and had the experience of my NT parent trying to get rid of all my AS symptoms when I didn't see anything wrong with me, I wish adult treatment providers would be nicer to AS children. The things that helped me the most were explanations about "normal" people. I am still learning about NT people and improving my social skills today.

I refuse not to be weird though. I embrace it because no one has the right to tell me I'm wrong just because I'm different.