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15 May 2007, 1:47 am

Deus_ex_machina wrote:

I don't get it, is this like intelligence and wisdom? Because that's always said to me "IQ and life experience", the more you experience life the less you judge people and the more you come to understand the world (Like dealing this or that situation, say instead of getting angry at someone you try to firgure out why you're angry and why they made you angry ect), the sort of thing that can only come with living, but IQ is just something you're born with and never changes, or only changes slightly and it helps you come to an understanding quicker than you might have if you had a lower IQ.

The fact that you say IQ never changes is why I'm hesitant to
use it as intellectual maturity. An example of what I mean by
such is clear, when you consider that few (if any) 10 year olds
can pursue a PhD. There are skills involved, which are developed
over time. Emotional maturity is something entirely different, which
I certainly have not developed - hence my difficulty in operating in
a non-academic world.

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What doesn't make sense is that you say that you're getting dumber as you get older, yet you say that they're both increasing, so am I wrong?

No question that I am unable to learn as quickly as
I once was. Perhaps, I can't make certain other
mental explorations as quickly either. This is
why I say that I am not as smart as I once was.
This is why, in mathematics for example, there
are very few important discoveries by those much
over the age of 35. Still, a certain intellectual maturity
develops, even well beyond that age.

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15 May 2007, 1:54 am

calandale wrote:

Deus_ex_machina wrote:

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What doesn't make sense is that you say that you're getting dumber as you get older, yet you say that they're both increasing, so am I wrong?

So then you're talking about skills, the ability to manipulate the world around us.

That's typical of everyone, it's well documented that as we get older it gets harder to learn, I don't think that has to do with IQ just our ability to learn specifically.

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15 May 2007, 2:55 am

I'm not the one who brought IQ into
this discussion. It's a meaningless
number which indicates one's ability
to do well on IQ tests.

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15 May 2007, 2:59 am

calandale wrote:

I'm not the one who brought IQ into
this discussion. It's a meaningless
number which indicates one's ability
to do well on IQ tests.

Maybe for Aspies.

You still haven't answered my questions however, you haven't defined what emotional and intellectual intelligence is, you just kind of beat around the bush.

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25 May 2007, 12:33 pm

I'm intellectually advanced and confident in that.
Emotionally and socially I'm weaker, and I know I am, so my confidence in this area is very unsure.People seem to want to know me but I'm reticent.
I think my awareness of this, and the fact that I try and navigate my life to express my soul anyway is a sign of maturity. Even if I fail.

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25 May 2007, 2:05 pm

Since I have the emotional maturity of a 3 year old, I have decided to leave WP and its cliques forever.

To those of you who sincerely wish me well, thank you. If you would like to contact me, you can ask Apatura for my email address.

-Lissa

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25 May 2007, 4:47 pm

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I'm VERY sorry to see you go. You've been one
of the people that I counted on for humor and
insight.

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25 May 2007, 4:49 pm

Deus_ex_machina wrote:

calandale wrote:

I'm not the one who brought IQ into
this discussion. It's a meaningless
number which indicates one's ability
to do well on IQ tests.

Maybe for Aspies.

You still haven't answered my questions however, you haven't defined what emotional and intellectual intelligence is, you just kind of beat around the bush.

1. No, in general. It doesn't tend to predict anything
of importance in the real world.

2. I didn't say intelligence, but rather maturity.

Anyhow, this has gone pretty stale, and
I'm too tired to try and define what seem
like obvious concepts.

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25 May 2007, 10:19 pm

calandale wrote:

Deus_ex_machina wrote:

calandale wrote:

I'm not the one who brought IQ into
this discussion. It's a meaningless
number which indicates one's ability
to do well on IQ tests.

Maybe for Aspies.

You still haven't answered my questions however, you haven't defined what emotional and intellectual intelligence is, you just kind of beat around the bush.

Well from what I've seen it predicts a fair bit, I'd like to see the evidence that contradicts this.

Either way it didn't make sense.

Right, but either way you can still show me the things that lead you to these conclusions.

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26 May 2007, 4:35 am

Deus_ex_machina wrote:

Right, but either way you can still show me the things that lead you to these conclusions.

How?

Emotional maturity relates to emotions.

Intellectual to the intellect.

When I was younger, I had almost no
emotional maturity, yet could reasonably
discuss matters having to do with just about
any scientific or historical topics. I've matured
since then, in both areas:

emotionally, I'm a strange mix - probably from
about 20 (before that, who knows?) having the
capability for loving of a much older person, but
in many matters, I am STILL a pubescent boy.

Intellectually, I've developed enough to be able to
discourse seriously on matters, even in journals.
Something which I wouldn't have been able to do,
say at 10, though I don't feel that my conversational
style in such matters has changed much.

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26 May 2007, 5:16 am

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I've noticed you posting less and less too.
But can understand why you are choosing to leave. Hope all goes well Aylissa.

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26 May 2007, 8:20 am

calandale wrote:

Deus_ex_machina wrote:

Right, but either way you can still show me the things that lead you to these conclusions.

So all you've really done is taken away the label of IQ and put "Maturity" on the end of Intellectual. Then taken maturity and slapped it on emotional.

You guys really need to stop assuming that I'm just some arrogant 18 yr old ranting about things he doesn't understand.

What you call Emotional Maturity is covered by "Maturity" well enough already, and what you call Intellectual Maturity is covered by IQ well enough. I hope I don't have to clarify myself on these things.

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26 May 2007, 8:24 am

Deus_ex_machina wrote:

You guys really need to stop assuming that I'm just some arrogant 18 yr old ranting about things he doesn't understand.

you tell em kiddo, them guys need to stop assuming a lot

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26 May 2007, 9:27 am

Kosmonaut wrote:

Deus_ex_machina wrote:

You guys really need to stop assuming that I'm just some arrogant 18 yr old ranting about things he doesn't understand.

You tell em kiddo, them guys need to stop assuming a lot

I can't tell you how many people have assumed it, I don't know if it's Ageism but it's very common.

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26 May 2007, 6:44 pm

Deus_ex_machina wrote:

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So all you've really done is taken away the label of IQ and put "Maturity" on the end of Intellectual. Then taken maturity and slapped it on emotional.

IQ has one and only one meaning. You might be able to use the word intelligence there,
but I've known people whom I would consider intelligent, yet not intellectually mature.
For example, a young mathematician might have the capability to understand and
grasp concepts that an older one wouldn't, yet not be capable of carrying through with
the work necessary to get a paper published on his own.

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You guys really need to stop assuming that I'm just some arrogant 18 yr old ranting about things he doesn't understand.

Is this directed at me? I was simply expressing that I'm
tired of trying to explain this. It's not that big a deal to
me.

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What you call Emotional Maturity is covered by "Maturity" well enough already, and what you call Intellectual Maturity is covered by IQ well enough. I hope I don't have to clarify myself on these things.

I suspect that emotional maturity is pretty damned close
to what people mean when they speak of maturity, in most
settings. I was simply making a distinction.

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26 May 2007, 7:51 pm

Deus_ex_machina wrote:

You guys really need to stop assuming that I'm just some arrogant 18 yr old ranting about things he doesn't understand.

well, you certainly don't sound like you are an 18 year old!

Merle

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