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31 Dec 2016, 5:49 pm

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Remember the average teenager knows more about the solar system than a scholar 5 hundred years ago. This is an increase in knowledge that millennials have not a decrease.


Sure, if you compare contemporary youth to people who lived hundreds of years ago. I don't think that comparison is very relevant to androbot's point.
It shows a little something which is that millennials are bothering to learn. What's more or less their is a large amount of college campus protests following Trump's election. I think this shows a little something. That we as a generation are bothering to be politically active.



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31 Dec 2016, 6:31 pm

Shahunshah wrote:
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Sure, if you compare contemporary youth to people who lived hundreds of years ago. I don't think that comparison is very relevant to androbot's point.
It shows a little something which is that millennials are bothering to learn.


Not really. Most people don't learn about the solar system on their own; they're forced to do so in school.



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31 Dec 2016, 6:46 pm

starkid wrote:
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Sure, if you compare contemporary youth to people who lived hundreds of years ago. I don't think that comparison is very relevant to androbot's point.
It shows a little something which is that millennials are bothering to learn.


Not really. Most people don't learn about the solar system on their own; they're forced to do so in school.
Their is a level of truth to that but even learning when it is in a classroom requires a level of willingness to do so.



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01 Jan 2017, 6:39 am

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Culture also plays a role by encouraging (or not encouraging) certain pursuits. ...

I fear western culture is failing to encourage critical thinking. It is replaced by self-expression, which today seems more valued.

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Remember the average teenager knows more about the solar system than a scholar 5 hundred years ago. This is an increase in knowledge that millennials have not a decrease.


Sure, if you compare contemporary youth to people who lived hundreds of years ago. I don't think that comparison is very relevant to androbot's point.


Access to information about the solar system is much easier to access with the internet. However this is not critical thinking. It's the difference between being able to find information and being able to find good information.



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01 Jan 2017, 6:48 am

androbot01 wrote:
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Culture also plays a role by encouraging (or not encouraging) certain pursuits. ...

I fear western culture is failing to encourage critical thinking. It is replaced by self-expression, which today seems more valued.

starkid wrote:
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Remember the average teenager knows more about the solar system than a scholar 5 hundred years ago. This is an increase in knowledge that millennials have not a decrease.


Sure, if you compare contemporary youth to people who lived hundreds of years ago. I don't think that comparison is very relevant to androbot's point.


Access to information about the solar system is much easier to access with the internet. However this is not critical thinking. It's the difference between being able to find information and being able to find good information.
I kind of fail to see how this is the fault of us as millennials however?

I feel as though what you are saying about self expression over critical thinking might just be an assertion do you have any evidence to back it up?



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01 Jan 2017, 7:05 am

Shahunshah wrote:
I kind of fail to see how this is the fault of us as millennials however?

I feel as though what you are saying about self expression over critical thinking might just be an assertion do you have any evidence to back it up?


It's not really about fault. It's more just the way things are. You made the mistake I am talking to when you compared the access to information that this generation has over ones before the internet as an indicator of intelligence. As I mentioned previously, this is not critical thinking. Rather it is lazy thinking; as if technology replaces the need for human intellectual development.

As for evidence, this is more of a theoretical discussion.



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01 Jan 2017, 7:27 am

androbot01 wrote:
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I kind of fail to see how this is the fault of us as millennials however?

I feel as though what you are saying about self expression over critical thinking might just be an assertion do you have any evidence to back it up?


It's not really about fault. It's more just the way things are. You made the mistake I am talking to when you compared the access to information that this generation has over ones before the internet as an indicator of intelligence. As I mentioned previously, this is not critical thinking. Rather it is lazy thinking; as if technology replaces the need for human intellectual development.

As for evidence, this is more of a theoretical discussion.
Fault might be an okay word to use in this context. When you talk about yourself being frustrated with millennials over not thinking critically it implies that they themselves have done something wrong therefore something they are at fault for.

You say this is the case but I would beg to differ. In my class people debate and discuss politics and current affairs all the time. Compare this to the world my dad grew up in hardly any people knew who people like Dick Cheney and John Kerry were even in their prime. Yet nowadays a bunch of 16 year olds in high school discuss these issues in depth. How can you say millennials are ignoring critical thinking when they are practicing it frequently.



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01 Jan 2017, 7:41 am

There's stupidity amid all generations. There's sublimity amid all generations.

There are Millennials who buck the trend. I've met some really non critical-thinking Baby Boomers in my time.

I wish people would stop listening to just any schmuck in the street, though. Or any schmuck on the Internet. I wish people would "consider the source" more. Use their critical thinking skills more.

I feel, in general, that all generations are guilty of listening to and being affected by just any rant a person feels compelled to make.



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01 Jan 2017, 7:47 am

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There's stupidity amid all generations. There's sublimity amid all generations.

There are Millennials who buck the trend. I've met some really non critical-thinking Baby Boomers in my time.

I wish people would stop listening to just any schmuck in the street, though. Or any schmuck on the Internet. I wish people would "consider the source" more. Use their critical thinking skills more.

I feel, in general, that all generations are guilty of listening to and being affected by just any rant a person feels compelled to make.
Yes I would be in agreement with this. Remember it was a generation of baby-boomers who voted in demagogues like Trump. And this ignorance in other generations is widespread. Around 40% of Republican voters actually believe that Obama was a Muslim born in Kenya and the older generation is more likely to reject same sex marriage. This ignorance really seems to be prevalent on all generational levels.



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01 Jan 2017, 7:51 am

Shahunshah wrote:
Fault might be an okay word to use in this context. When you talk about yourself being frustrated with millennials over not thinking critically it implies that they themselves have done something wrong therefore something they are at fault for.

My frustration is my own fault. Like was said earlier, I don't have to engage.

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You say this is the case but I would beg to differ. In my class people debate and discuss politics and current affairs all the time. Compare this to the world my dad grew up in hardly any people knew who people like Dick Cheney and John Kerry were even in their prime. Yet nowadays a bunch of 16 year olds in high school discuss these issues in depth. How can you say millennials are ignoring critical thinking when they are practicing it frequently.


Are you serious??? I was in my 30s when Cheney was trying to destroy the world and people knew who he and Kerry were.

Discussing politics is not critical thinking.



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01 Jan 2017, 7:55 am

androbot01 wrote:
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Fault might be an okay word to use in this context. When you talk about yourself being frustrated with millennials over not thinking critically it implies that they themselves have done something wrong therefore something they are at fault for.

My frustration is my own fault. Like was said earlier, I don't have to engage.

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You say this is the case but I would beg to differ. In my class people debate and discuss politics and current affairs all the time. Compare this to the world my dad grew up in hardly any people knew who people like Dick Cheney and John Kerry were even in their prime. Yet nowadays a bunch of 16 year olds in high school discuss these issues in depth. How can you say millennials are ignoring critical thinking when they are practicing it frequently.


Are you serious??? I was in my 30s when Cheney was trying to destroy the world and people knew who he and Kerry were.

Discussing politics is not critical thinking.
The definition of critical thinking is to go in depth into a topic to bring out conclusions, ideas and answers. Now that in is what a political discussion and debate is. It is two people comparing ideas and discussing them to figure out which points are more strong and valid.

In New Zealand it was a different story. I asked my fairly political uncle what he thought about the new Secretary of State, Kerry and he answered "Isn't that Hillary's job?" He didn't know who the guy was.

Not everyone knows who these people are.



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01 Jan 2017, 8:05 am

Shahunshah wrote:
The definition of critical thinking is to go in depth into a topic to bring out conclusions, ideas and answers.


This is from a University of Toronto handout:

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WHAT IS CRITICAL THINKING?

Critical thinking is a higher order of thinking:
it is the practice of using a number of different advanced thinking skills in a variety of complex ways.

Critical thinking focuses on thought:
it looks at how facts are proven, arguments are formed, conclusions are reached, not just what the facts, argument or conclusion may be.

Critical thinking is self-reflexive:
it involves reflecting on, questioning and testing your own thinking processes.


U of T: Critical Thinking



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01 Jan 2017, 8:18 am

A generation or two up we have a larger number of religious people, blindly following faith, and those who believe that being a different colour or sexuality is wrong but can give no better reason than "it's just wrong" or "it's not natural". Personally, I think Millennials are doing a good job of critical thinking and questioning these things. This is the generation that believes more in finding your own happiness and accepting other people. To me, that's a better world.



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01 Jan 2017, 8:20 am

androbot01 wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
The definition of critical thinking is to go in depth into a topic to bring out conclusions, ideas and answers.


This is from a University of Toronto handout:

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WHAT IS CRITICAL THINKING?

Critical thinking is a higher order of thinking:
it is the practice of using a number of different advanced thinking skills in a variety of complex ways.

Critical thinking focuses on thought:
it looks at how facts are proven, arguments are formed, conclusions are reached, not just what the facts, argument or conclusion may be.

Critical thinking is self-reflexive:
it involves reflecting on, questioning and testing your own thinking processes.


U of T: Critical Thinking
Okay so you want millennials and people my age (16) to look into how facts are formed. That sounds fun but I doubt it is everyone's cup of tea. :lol:

Points 1 and 3 can be a feature of what I talked about depending on the people.

I am not sure if this is about millennials are you upset by fake news and people not looking into facts and evidence as much as they could because I think that is understandable.



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01 Jan 2017, 10:28 am

Discussing politics could lead to critical thinking.

Because many critical-thinking people see its relevance.



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01 Jan 2017, 10:33 am

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Okay so you want millennials and people my age (16) to look into how facts are formed.


Facts aren't formed; they just are. Critical thinking is meta; it's thinking about thinking.