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scskye
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16 Sep 2008, 6:51 pm

paolo wrote:
This is one more problem and serious, at least as I experience it. When you had your diagnosis late in life, you realize that you have always lacked real empathy. When somebody was sick, wounded or dying you felt displeasure but not real grief. You reacted in conventional ways, expressing some feelings which really didn’t were your real feelings. This happens all the time with condolences, and third parties don’t make any attempt to verify the real weight of your words or reactions. Often they also fake their grief. But now that you have decided that you can’t feign feelings anymore, that you are adult (in my case old, though only in terms of years lived), it’s hard to confess that you are indifferent to what happens to your purported friends. In a sense it’s worse to have to shake off the mask of compassion, than the loss of acquaintances in itself. And hard to say it. And hard to verify your lifelong coldness.


I for one completely relate. I've been called cold several times. I will cry at movies or for animals, etc but I dont often show emotion for real people much at all, even family. I will cry sometimes if my mother cries because I know she's upset. I sometimes wonder if people are "faking" or just want attention, even when the issue is someone's death. My thought process is often "people die" or "it happens" I don't mean to be unfeeling I just don't know how else to be. I do get emotional though sometimes, but usually when I'm by myself and because I'm feeling bad about the consequences of my behavior(or lack there of) in life



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18 Sep 2008, 5:35 pm

I remember, when I was about eight, being informed, erroneously, that my mother had been killed. My only thought at the moment was, "Who is going to be making my lunch now?" The compassionate person will shed real tears when hearing of some abused or mistreated pet, then wipe the gravy from his chin and pull another body segment from the pot. Compassion is a gewgaw, an ornament, and finally a disguise for the crafty human bastard beneath.

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On shallow straw, in shadeless glass
Huddled by empty bowls they sleep:
No dark, no dam, no earth, no grass-
[/i]Mam give us one of them to keep.

Living toys are something novel,
But it soon wears off somehow.
Fetch the shoebox, fetch the shovel
[i]Mam we're playing funerals now.

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19 Sep 2008, 1:30 am

LKL wrote:
@ eggman: planets?

Is that a problem? NT seem to have no empath with people with Asperger's, so the dont get them, so t seems a two way thing.



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19 Sep 2008, 11:48 am

I just don't know why a planet would need sympathy. They seem to go about their business without much notice of us humans one way or the other.



paolo
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19 Sep 2008, 12:43 pm

Empathy. Nobody should feel guilty for lacking empathy. Miserable and destitute yes, guilty not. Should one feel guilty for being born mute or blind?

Second. Empathy may grow only inside friendship, and what is friendship? I don’t think that friendship is communality of ideas and interpretations of the world (same party, same religion, same sect, same opinions). I imagine friendship as something impalpable growing out of staying together permanently and becoming gradually able to guess, as a kind of language without words, others’ unspoken grammar of inner workings of the soul. And this is possible only within limits.

And then there is the immediate reaction to see some unknown people in danger. Old people falling, young people being bullied , animals or toddlers being beaten.
So the picture is very variegated.



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20 Sep 2008, 2:42 am

dont get sucked into thinking all non autistic ppl have empathy. they don't and they definitely do not have empathy for us. grief after death is often not empathy at all. people frequently grieve for themselves but dont admit it. I also think that a large amount of grief is a w*k, especially the daft stuff that goes on when celebrities kark.

while i rarely experience empathy, i do have compassion. I work hard to understand how other people might be feeling and i would like to be given credit for that, especially when some people claim to have an inate ability to empathize but do not use it. I think empathy is much over rated.