You guys wanna be fascinated and freaked out same time?

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16 Jan 2010, 3:15 pm

This morning, I was pulled into reading about these short wave transmissions known as Numbers Stations. The noise the signals make sound like they're coming from the depths of Hell, though apparently most of these stations are used for either navy/military bases, and international spy operations....in some cases even drug trafficking.

I managed to find some really, really, really disturbing audio/video signals online early this morning on Youtube.

If you want your mind blown, and something basically burned into your memory, check these out:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McFRonD-sjg&feature=related[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdnoAJ7KoFE&feature=related[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgF9ZlI_R-8[/youtube]


Feel free to check all this stuff out; and there's absolutely loads of it.

The one thing that will freak you out even more: the first one I posted is actually a "reverse" video of a piece on some website. Now, the regular address for the website appears to be some faith-based inspirational dude's domain...or at least that's how it appears. I believe it's actually just a cover for the video, if you alter the link just a little bit. Even the piece on the inspirational guy seems very mysterious...as though it's trying to cover something up. Check it out!

Worth noting: it's also freakier to watch/listen to this sh*t at around our regular time of 3-4 AM. I'd say watch it in a room alone but...we're Autistic, so I believe that's self-explanatory...



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16 Jan 2010, 3:27 pm

These videos are making me feel uneasy even though it's the middle of the day and there are others at home.

I'm afraid to see how it will make me feel if I watch it in the middle of the night when everyone's asleep... (but I'll wind up trying it anyway)



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16 Jan 2010, 3:29 pm

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16 Jan 2010, 4:07 pm

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16 Jan 2010, 4:10 pm

I know what those signals are and why they sound that way.
The video that was synched with them certainly was chosen to be
synaesthetic with imaginations like mine.
The first one looks like primitive digital TV static. (Numbers and girl w black squares)
The second one is intentionally uncanny.
The third one ... the picture reminds me of a Nikola Tesla project.

All of them are not being received with the right kind of radio.
The first one is an AM station on a sideband radio.
The second one starts out with a test, and then slow old internet/telegraphic radio.
The third one is a sideband radio on the wrong frequency which sounds backwards.
I can also hear telex signals on them, used by the news and weather services.
The number stations ARE secret codes though.

I recently saw and heard one that was semi-misleading about being from space.
Indeed, not from flying saucers but from Voyager and Cassini space probes.
There was an eerie echo in that one because light goes much faster than
sound (which goes no where in outer space), and the radio waves were
bouncing off of the moon and stuff to make the echo, as well as being
received with antennas around the world on the same frequency to ensure
that the signal is received even in the day time when we can't see the other
planet where the space probe is. Pictures from other planets are sent very
slow because that makes it easier to separate them from lots of static,
and in a way that sounds like an AM station with ghost voices.

Most of the weird sound in these videos here are caused by heterodyne effects
from either interfering stations or being on the wrong frequency. The buzzing
sound is digital data, and so are the fast beeping sounds. If you put a cell phone
near amplified computer speakers then a similar (but not very similar) buzz happens.

The backwards one, again, is not tuned it right. It would sound normal if it was.

My brother used to think the sound was eerie when CB was popular and too many
people talked on the same channel. Heterodyne sound. It sounds like a theremin
musical instrument. Spooky.



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16 Jan 2010, 4:13 pm

I watched all of them and sound them boring. What is it I'm supposed to expirence?


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16 Jan 2010, 4:54 pm

I actually LIKED them. They're hypnotic.

But I'm used to weird sound effects, I listen to lots of death metal. And weird s**t a la Jean Michel Jarre.


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16 Jan 2010, 10:54 pm

mechanicalgirl39 wrote:
I actually LIKED them. They're hypnotic.

But I'm used to weird sound effects, I listen to lots of death metal. And weird sh** a la Jean Michel Jarre.


I liked the jingle sound of the second one best.


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16 Jan 2010, 11:44 pm

My first thought was, "These kinds of sounds would be fun to play with in a noise/music project!"

My second thought was, "Oh yeah, people have been doing that for about 50 years now, at least."



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17 Jan 2010, 12:09 am

where it gets more interesting is that--over 10 years ago--a friend of mine told me "whenever I go down south to visit some relatives, all this weird s**t happens...and I'm tellin' ya dude; it's really f*cked up! Like, we were listening to the radio, and all of a sudden, the transmission was interrupted, and we just heard someone go 'psst', then it went right back to the regular music; it was so freaky..had to be some supernatural stuff going on"

After finding this stuff, I emailed him and said "no, it wasn't; it was just signals being jammed by number stations, or something to that effect; here's your proof, and god is it freaky".

I even told my co-workers, my Dad, my room-mate, and my girlfriend about it....I also told her to tell her Dad about it, too.



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17 Jan 2010, 2:09 am

Yeah, all sorts of weird and wonderfully interesting things can happen with radio signals.

For example, tube amplifiers and older analog stereo systems can pick them up. What's interesting is that the particular piece of equipment always picks up the same station.

I had an old receiver + speakers in upstate New York that picked up the signal for a strange evangelical fundamentalist Christian station. Between playing records, I'd get to hear some preacher's voice reading about "The Rapture" or something like that. It was creepy, but I found it entertaining because I understood the phenomenon.

It was annoying on my ex's 1969 Marshall tube amp, though. When turned on, its station of choice was one that played bad "classic rock", which is kind of a distraction when you're trying to use the thing to play good music.

I don't fully understand the mechanics of this, but it does interest me.



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17 Jan 2010, 9:27 am

I found the first and third quite calming and the second entertaining. But then I listened to "revolution 9" on the beatles white album obsessively when I was a teen, so that's not really unusual for me.

For fellow strange music enthusiasts:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwQiQLqAKOA[/youtube]



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17 Jan 2010, 11:01 am

those 2 videos make no sense to me.



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17 Jan 2010, 12:36 pm

Anyone here a fan of Jean Michel Jarre??


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17 Jan 2010, 8:17 pm

TheDoctor82 Totally pointless and waste of time videos! I found them highly annoying, not about the sound or what you see, but that they was slow and nothing HAPPENED!! !

and yeah, Jean Michel Jarre is way better, he produce quality content...


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18 Jan 2010, 6:06 pm

release_the_bats wrote:
Yeah, all sorts of weird and wonderfully interesting things can happen with radio signals.

For example, tube amplifiers and older analog stereo systems can pick them up. What's interesting is that the particular piece of equipment always picks up the same station.

I had an old receiver + speakers in upstate New York that picked up the signal for a strange evangelical fundamentalist Christian station. Between playing records, I'd get to hear some preacher's voice reading about "The Rapture" or something like that. It was creepy, but I found it entertaining because I understood the phenomenon.

It was annoying on my ex's 1969 Marshall tube amp, though. When turned on, its station of choice was one that played bad "classic rock", which is kind of a distraction when you're trying to use the thing to play good music.

I don't fully understand the mechanics of this, but it does interest me.


All older tube equipment had a very basic sound system. All radio signals would be normalized to a single internal intermediate frequency, or IF, before being fed to the speaker. Tube radio circuitry only works with a single frequency, so the incoming signal has to be normed with an IF system to be usable by the radio. In the early days of radio, the IF didn't exist, so all stations had to broadcast on a single freq. This led to the Coolidge Administration in the US trying to enforce all sorts of weird timesharing plans with stations in rural areas that tended to hate the Federal Radio Commission. (For shortwave enthusiasts, imagine trying to get WWCR to obey the dictates of the Obama Administration. SW is basically left alone by the FCC because of the crazy white guys with machine guns angle.)

Anyway, all tube equipment used 455 khz as the IF for AM (MW), and 10.7 Mhz for FM. Because of the properties of hollow state electronics, stations on a certain harmonic, or multiple, of the IF can be picked up in the circuitry. The engineering of the system will determine what it gets, also if you have or don't have the magic freq being used in your area.

In the early days of radio, this was no big deal, what with only a thousand or so Class A "clear channel" stations. (Today, there are 13,000 or so, all playing right wing talk.) As the bands got crowded and high fidelity equipment became the norm, it became more and more of a problem. People then and now were stupid and thought that their stuff was haunted etc. Finally the feds forced tube gear off the market because the problem was too severe. It's MUCH easier to control IF issues in a transistorized or microchip set. PLL technology has practically eliminated the problem. If you ever try and use a radio that has its PLL chip go on strike, you will get harmonic problems all over the place.