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02 Jun 2008, 2:57 pm

I think that (mental) health is a very elusive subject. It has something to do with being balanced and perceptive, which doesn't mean intelligent in terms of IQ, or any other test. Character and personality are such complicated combinations of instincts, learning and experience (and luck) that you can detect the right mix, only with a some sort of (again instinctive) sixth sense. Someone who has the capacity to make you feel at ease in his/her company is "normal" in a good sense.


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02 Jun 2008, 4:00 pm

Without sentimentalism or political colouring, I think I can safely say that "normal" describes the mean or average value within a large diverse group. And with that mean average as a reference polint, we can find the upper, the lower, and the fringes. If you've got a better, simpler explanation of "normal," I'd like to see it.



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02 Jun 2008, 4:55 pm

I read an interesting article about mental health a few weeks ago - sorry, can't find it now to tell you who wrote it, but the general theme of it was that what is generally considered to be 'abnormal' states of mental health, i.e. depression, bipolar disorder, etc are far more common in the general population than was at once thought by mental health professionals. Also that most people slip between what would be considered by psychiatrists to be 'normal' and 'abnormal' states quite frequently, so being 'abnormal' at times, may be entirely 'normal'.

I have heard that mental resilience is a good test for mental health. The more resilient one is to change/environmental pressures etc, the healthier one is. That's me out then, lol, I hate change.

Humour I think is a very healing/healthy thing...people who make you laugh are worth their weight in gold :)



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02 Jun 2008, 5:02 pm

How can abormal be considered normal?

That's like saying drunk is considered sober.



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02 Jun 2008, 5:03 pm

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02 Jun 2008, 5:09 pm

Unfortunately years ago I feel people on the autism spectrum had 2 choices growing up keeping there difference to them self or being 'processed' by the mental health system - people like to prejudge what they do not understand!

But of course your right we are all born as unique individuals, some just a little more different than others... and often due to the narrow mindedness of others feel isolated and live on the edge of society... I never knew what it was really like to be an minority until diagnosed with aspergers last year!


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02 Jun 2008, 5:19 pm

slowmutant wrote:
How can abormal be considered normal?

That's like saying drunk is considered sober.

I don't really have a concept of what normal is, it sure isn't what you see on TV, like the Brady Bunch.
So called NT's also have their issues, just like us so called neurally diverse people, the fact is there is
no such thing as normal.



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02 Jun 2008, 5:35 pm

There is no such tnig as normal. All that really exist is a concept that a majority of people agree on.


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03 Jun 2008, 12:32 am

There's an average mainstream standard considered as 'normal' perhaps (but that's due to majority opinion), but there's no true normal in a sense of what the human species is suppose to be.


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03 Jun 2008, 7:49 am

What is the human species "supposed" to be? FWIW, I still like my idea about commonalities and statistical norms.



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03 Jun 2008, 8:03 am

All things are suppose to be individualistic and free, including humans, so how can one determine normality to that? :P


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03 Jun 2008, 8:17 am

Free will and normality are unconnected. A lot of cranks, pyschos and whackjobs out there are using their free will to escape normality.



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03 Jun 2008, 8:42 am

From a somewhat long essay (not by me) which can be found here (link):

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... "What is pathological?" is an inescapably normative question, and orders of magnitude more so when it is asked of conscious phenomena. A tidal wave of binding assays, brain scans, and receptor sequencing may obliterate everything in its path, but will never turn this normative, value-laden question into a positive question. Vanilla ice cream could be subjected to the most exhaustive physical and chemical analyses imaginable, but no amount of data that could ever be assembled would answer the question, "does it taste better than chocolate ice cream?" On such matters, science is, properly, silent, for these are not positive, or scientific, questions. When, as with biopsychiatry, scientists must be shushed, disabused of their delusions of grandeur in public, it is embarrassing for all concerned. For 'pathology' to exist, one person must examine some feature of another person, and render a negative judgment about that feature. When the feature under examination is someone's mind, the 'judge' would be well advised to watch his or her step. ...


(The author is talking about biopsychiatry in the sense that neurobiological "imbalances" are impugned to cause "pathological" mental states. One point he doesn't make clear is that even in the view that no mental states are pathological, there could still be those that are distressing to the person and that if that person want treatment for it they should have every right to get it. The difference is that with "pathology" there is the implication that it must "treated" or "cured" whether the person wants it or not.)

The essay has a lot of interesting points, from a short history of schizophrenia, to the use of neuroleptics in psychiatry, to the war on drugs.

[edited due to hitting the darn submit button too fast]



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03 Jun 2008, 9:07 am

As I said, pathological.

Not to mention OCD. :hmph:



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03 Jun 2008, 9:44 am

"Pathological," as in somebody else's negative judgment? Ah, too many people in the world think they've got the whole of human experience between their two ears, IMO. "There' more on heaven and Earth..." and all that.

OCD sounds rough.



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03 Jun 2008, 12:10 pm

OCD is rough. I do not pretend to have the whole world's knowledge between my ears. I do not beg absolute correctness, as only a fool would. And I invite people to disagree with what I say. If I didn't want to be contradicted, I'd never speak or write a single word.