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06 May 2008, 10:56 am

This practise is officiaally illegal in Canada, and rightfully so. Prostitution cheapens and debases women immensely for obviously reasons, but surrogacy takes that debasement one step further. A surrogate mother rents out her body in exchange for cash. In exchange for agreed-upon sexual services, the surrogate accepts payment. Sperm and ova are now bieng sold on the balck market. It seems women are now so desperate for motherhood that any moral line can be crossed. Does the woman's biological clock have such absolute power over her? Reproductive rights and freedoms are fine, but there is a limit as to how far this ideal should be taken.

And that doesn't even touch on the adultery aspect of it.



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06 May 2008, 11:25 am

I have to disagree there. I see it a way to somewhat balance out the inequity between the sexes. If a single woman wishes to have a child of her own, and cannot find a suitable father, all she has to do is visit a sperm bank. Surrogacy at least gives men in the same boat one hope to have a child of their own, albeit a far more expensive one.



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06 May 2008, 12:08 pm

For legal reasons, following the Baby M debacle, most surrogacies involve a medical impantation of an embryo unrelated to the woman carrying the baby, so there is no sex (for the surrogate) involved whatsoever, and the baby is genetically unrelated to the surrogate.

For example, if a woman has a damaged or absent uterus, but still has ovaries, one of her eggs can be combined with her husband's sperm to create an embryo that is 100% their baby. The surrogate may be renting out her womb (her choice, the wisdom of which is certainly arguable) to carry the couple's baby to term, but it should not be confused with adultery.



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06 May 2008, 12:35 pm

And though in most cases, there is a surrogacy fee over and above the cost of services, there isn't always. There are cases in which the surrogate mother is a volunteer (for instance, when related to the baby's genetic mother or in a state where paid surrogacy is not legal).



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06 May 2008, 12:52 pm

When I preform manual labor..I rent out my muscles for the purpose of a wage. If I was an accountant, I would be renting out my brain or knowledge and my time...for a wage. If I women rents her womb for the creation of a life that is going to be loved and valued...how is it different?

The problem with prostitution isn't one of morality but health concerns and proper respect and treatment of sexual workers. It's their body and if they use it to make a living and are not looked down on as subhuman...then there is no degradation. The problem is not in their behavior but the behavior of society and their attitudes about sex. There are certainly more instances of immorality in sexual situations that do not involve two consenting adults making an exchange of cash of services.

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women who say they are on birth-control and then get pregnant and expect 18 years of child support
Men or women who mislead someone into thinking they have feelings for them, when they are only interested in having sex
Either gender, who takes sex by force


I see these things as much more harmful then a exchange of sex or a womb rental, for money.


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06 May 2008, 3:29 pm

Would you be cool with letting your child grow up to be a streetwalker, then?

And how far can the baby-clock dictate womens' behaviour? Does it have absolute power over their reasoning process? How much desperation is needed before a woman kills to possess another woman's child?

Anyone seen The Hand that Rocks the Cradle?

SCARY STUFF 8O

All of this frightens me, to be honest. A human life is being commodified and turned into some kind of chattel. To be bought and paid for with cash-money. And the black marketing of sperm and ovum? Where is this all going?



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06 May 2008, 5:03 pm

slowmutant wrote:
Would you be cool with letting your child grow up to be a streetwalker, then?




(I don't think streetwalking is a very ggod form of working in the sex trade....my point was that it is currently very dangerious profession and should be regulated for the safty of the workers and the clients. It has been around since the begining of civilization and doesn't seem to be going away any time soon, so we might as well deal with it in a safer/saner manor rather then morilizing about it being immoral.)




And how far can the baby-clock dictate womens' behaviour? Does it have absolute power over their reasoning process? How much desperation is needed before a woman kills to possess another woman's child?




(I don't know what the biological clock has to do with stealing a baby? The biological clock is about women only having a particular time frame to give birth to their own child .)

Anyone seen The Hand that Rocks the Cradle?

SCARY STUFF 8O

All of this frightens me, to be honest. A human life is being commodified and turned into some kind of chattel. To be bought and paid for with cash-money. And the black marketing of sperm and ovum? Where is this all going?


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06 May 2008, 5:06 pm

What does adultery and prostitution have to do with surrogacy? There is no reason for the father to have sex with the surrogate, thanks to artificial insemination, in vitro fertilization, and similar practices.



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07 May 2008, 11:38 pm

As a former 3x surrogate mother I *should* recuse myself from this thread but your words are just darn ignorant that it has become impossible. As of lately, I no longer have much good to say about surrogacy, but for reasons ENTIRELY different from yours.



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08 May 2008, 2:07 am

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