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19 Jun 2011, 1:27 am

Is it really to help children and adults with autism or is all of this awareness really just fueling bullies to think that if someone has autism that it's okay to hurt them because of how autistic children are portrayed in the media?



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19 Jun 2011, 5:18 pm

awareness could potentialy fuel bullies only if a type of person is portrayed overly sympatheticly.bullies are insecure and hone in on weakness and if one is portrayed excessively sympatheticly it could make them look weak


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19 Jun 2011, 7:30 pm

Hmm.. Can you provide examples in your context. To me ASAN is a bully especially the president and protesters calling people pity and bigots. However I am not sure how someone feeling compassion can create bullies but bullies tend to go up against compassion or use it to make others feel inferior such as "poor you", "pity you" and "your mom brought you around town for others to feel sorry for you". All that kind of stuff along with your "stupid" I've experienced from pride advocates. Yet in real-life offline people are really nice it's just a few total butts that seem to cause problems.


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19 Jun 2011, 8:40 pm

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Hmm.. Can you provide examples in your context. To me ASAN is a bully especially the president and protesters calling people pity and bigots. However I am not sure how someone feeling compassion can create bullies but bullies tend to go up against compassion or use it to make others feel inferior such as "poor you", "pity you" and "your mom brought you around town for others to feel sorry for you". All that kind of stuff along with your "stupid" I've experienced from pride advocates. Yet in real-life offline people are really nice it's just a few total butts that seem to cause problems.

I need to see some evidence of this I think ASAN represents me ok half the time. maybe they are a little naive. but atleast they try. certainly a lesser evil than autism speaks or inclusion awareness stuff.

autism awareness is a dehumanization campaign to make people feel less bad about killing all of us in a few years.



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19 Jun 2011, 8:46 pm

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ci wrote:
Hmm.. Can you provide examples in your context. To me ASAN is a bully especially the president and protesters calling people pity and bigots. However I am not sure how someone feeling compassion can create bullies but bullies tend to go up against compassion or use it to make others feel inferior such as "poor you", "pity you" and "your mom brought you around town for others to feel sorry for you". All that kind of stuff along with your "stupid" I've experienced from pride advocates. Yet in real-life offline people are really nice it's just a few total butts that seem to cause problems.

I need to see some evidence of this I think ASAN represents me ok half the time. maybe they are a little naive. but atleast they try. certainly a lesser evil than autism speaks or inclusion awareness stuff.

autism awareness is a dehumanization campaign to make people feel less bad about killing all of us in a few years.


As I thought your bias is abortion politics. This will be a major part of my sociological outline. Inclusion awareness is civil and human rights. Anti-cure tends to want to control points of view for the sake of abortion politics while focusing on others emotional insecurities of the image of autism. I believe it takes real guts to be both compassionate and receive the compassion of others to improve oneself and others. However the conspiracy theory of anti-cure and at least some factions of pride is compassion is about Nazi's and human cleansing. The original interview I did back when Cure Autism Now existed before Autism Speaks was with Aspergian Pride owner Bonnie. She too hated inclusion awareness because of the abortion issue and the pride and anti-cure agenda could not dominate with their agenda in it. So what do some pride advocates do because they have a conspiracy theory about compassion? Belittle compassion as pity and dehumanize people like calling them bigots for caring and singling out individuals with autism and say they want people to feel sorry for them.


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19 Jun 2011, 8:55 pm

Wtf are u trying to confuse me? i don't think anybody has argued against compassion. And nazism is when u abort babies not stand up for people btw.



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19 Jun 2011, 9:21 pm

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Wtf are u trying to confuse me? i don't think anybody has argued against compassion. And nazism is when u abort babies not stand up for people btw.


As long as anti-compassion is parsed from the pride \ anti-cure agenda I don't think I will have to declare any more major advocacy conflicts. I think them pride folks that wanted some problems with compassionate inclusion directed by an individual with autism have backed off entirely. Going up against compassion is a great injustice. Especially when it comes to inclusion by compassionate means. As far as the Nazi stuff that's been emotionally de-programmed socially from being taken seriously. It is not my focus to confront abortion advocacy no matter what side nor to redefine or strategically suggest. So as long as they do not conflict with my and others rights for inclusion innovation there will be a sense of public relations peace. However should it be needed I'd be much obliged to rock and rumble politically to keep the progress and peace successful.


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20 Jun 2011, 5:01 am

what about the last few post relates to advocacy
causing bullying.i though the question proposed in this post was,can advocacy fuel bullies.whether or whether not the asan bullies anti abortion advocates wasnt the question.t


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20 Jun 2011, 9:57 am

I think the online advocacy is an in-crazed purpose at times to bully. It seems fueled by the anti-selective-abortion folks. Boy do they tend to get desperate and when doing so totally become manipulative. It's near always been people claiming to be pride advocates but also having to do with abortion.

It's because them folks think of it as life and death circumstances in politics.


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20 Jun 2011, 12:37 pm

well Nazism is pretty life and death. its an issue worth fighting over. my question to you ci is why are you trying to destroy your last hope of becoming successful, why are you giving in to what the other side wants. the only way that one gets rich is by capitalizing everybody else and i would rather be killer than killed.



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20 Jun 2011, 12:42 pm

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well Nazism is pretty life and death. its an issue worth fighting over. my question to you ci is why are you trying to destroy your last hope of becoming successful, why are you giving in to what the other side wants. the only way that one gets rich is by capitalizing everybody else and i would rather be killer than killed.


Your mind seems to exist in such hyper-relevancy. My goal is not to become rich but help others. Separating the abortion issues from pride advocacy seems to be difficult. I will ponder this. Being proud of oneself differs perhaps from pride in a made up disorder label or least is less restrictive in the political sense. To me there are two polar sides and a 3rd one that tends to be in the middle or is entirely separate. Regrettably these abortion politics have plagued autism advocacy and so I do not affiliate with other organizations indirectly having to do with any other organization that mixes the concept of abortion issues and autism advocacy.


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20 Jun 2011, 1:50 pm

why not help others be proud? help all the babies be born? help everyone be rich, or at least earning a living? i don't see many fractures within the logic or the mission of autism self advocacy only the fact that it is a monumental and perhaps unachievable goal. but laying down your human rights in exchange for minimum wage jobs is not the answer.



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20 Jun 2011, 1:53 pm

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why not help others be proud? help all the babies be born? help everyone be rich, or at least earning a living? i don't see many fractures within the logic or the mission of autism self advocacy only the fact that it is a monumental and perhaps unachievable goal. but laying down your human rights in exchange for minimum wage jobs is not the answer.


I am not sure if you grasp what I do.


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20 Jun 2011, 2:05 pm

i have visited your site before. It was interesting but it almost seemed a little demeaning. i got the point that you picked people off the street which i wouldn't discourage you from doing. but at least from what i could tell there was no follow through. do these people have families? do they earn more than $12 an hour? have you arranged scholarships for young autistics so there is a successful future? can these people supply themselves without depending on others? are they living their way or the way you want them to?



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20 Jun 2011, 2:08 pm

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i have visited your site before. It was interesting but it almost seemed a little demeaning. i got the point that you picked people off the street which i wouldn't discourage you from doing. but at least from what i could tell there was no follow through. do these people have families? do they earn more than $12 an hour? have you arranged scholarships for young autistics so there is a successful future? can these people supply themselves without depending on others? are they living their way or the way you want them to?


I am not sure what your talking about as far as picking people off the streets. I do not know about scholarships nor have anything to do with them. Again I do not think you quite grasp what I do nor the goals. I will post prior to for the most part logging off this site as my research is done with the political disaster of autism politics. I focus on developmental disability inclusion and opportunity and tend to stare clear from focusing on autism in public relations because of the problems.


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20 Jun 2011, 2:26 pm

well you seem to have a love of debating against ASAN for someone who is politically abstinent.
and you are also using many arguments that could be used against your own establishment against ASAN.