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10 Sep 2011, 2:35 pm

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You makeup so many things.

Yay! Another presumptuous statement with no proof!
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The organization I head is about inclusion for employment and opportunity in general for qualifying individuals. It has nothing to do with enabling people on the internet to speak through it.

If it expects to have the justified respect of the community it should have all voices comment on it. Also this wasn'
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organisation. This was about how people like in ASAN can't talk about anything because it deflects from the ambition for cure or something.
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Are you getting the context or misinterpreting to make a fuss?

Are you making a false black-and-white paradigm that only displays you in a positive light? Maybe I understand perfectly, and that I still disagree is what bugs you.
ci]I do not propose to control free speech online and do not even agree with slander laws because that removed fundamental freedom and is akin to socialism.[/quote]
Socialism is the seperation of property equally among the people of a state. What you're talking about is authoritarianism. Also why would you remove the right for a person not to be slandered? Also it wasn't online that I was talking about: It was that you don't like people talking about not liking cure because it hurts your 'freedom of cure' or something.
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I would never sue someone for freedom of speech unlike what is threatened by internet advocates at times and some autism organizations.

Another claim for which you have no evidence. Ironic considering that NTs speak, a site put up by a little girl, was threatened with being sued by people from 'Autism Speaks'.
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I think it conspires against free thought in premise.
Free thought eh? For which you have no evidence? Your only 'evidence' so far is ASAN picketing. Picketing doesn't have anything to do with stopping free thought.


Also what does in premise mean?



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10 Sep 2011, 2:43 pm

You have taken much of what I said out of context. Just entirely and then invented into it offering no evidence just accusations. It's soooooo boring.


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10 Sep 2011, 4:30 pm

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You have taken much of what I said out of context. Just entirely and then invented into it offering no evidence just accusations. It's soooooo boring.

Ah, so things that you haven't prove that I am doing are boring. Since I only pick holes in arguments whilst you invent new things to shoot at I consider this also ironic. You must have taken everything out of context to arrive at this argument.

Care to explain why nothing is boring? Maybe it's because you keep talking about it. What's also boring is you keep saying it is boring and then not stop replying. No wait, it isn't boring: It's hilarious actually. And that's actually how I feel.



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10 Sep 2011, 8:01 pm

You need to do research about the relevant issues. It's wasting my time trying to debate someone when they cannot argue the dynamics of the issues. While I don't call people ignorant and frown upon it when others do please educate yourself. I do not want to spend hours getting and explaining links about the history of the pride movement just so you can continue taking things out of context in a manner that is conducive to your political agenda. I want rational intellectualism and you don't offer it. It's wasting my time and is boring.


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11 Sep 2011, 8:15 am

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You need to do research about the relevant issues.

You tell me things about other people. You prove them. It isn't my job to do your work for you.

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It's wasting my time trying to debate someone when they cannot argue the dynamics of the issues.

No, what's wasting time is your constant assertion of something being the case and then not giving proof for that, thus forcing me to patiently ask for proof again/
[quote=ci"]While I don't call people ignorant and frown upon it when others do please educate yourself.[/quote]
The first part of your sentence doesn't take away the patronising element of the second part. Why don't you actually prove what you are saying is correct then having to weakly tell me to 'educate myself'?
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I do not want to spend hours getting and explaining links about the history of the pride movement just so you can continue taking things out of context in a manner that is conducive to your political agenda.

Ah, so you are presumtuously proclaiming that I am bigoted against your views and therefore wont agree with you! That's weak. I have maybe heard over two hundred posts and each time asked for an explanation on anything negative you say and now you say there is no point in showing you because I am bigoted. That's absolutely insulting. It's also another thing that is unsurprisingly contradictory.
You say that I am bigoted against your views but you somehow feel you don't need to provide me with evidence to agree with you, which would mean being bigoted against people you don't like you.
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I want rational intellectualism and you don't offer it.

Yes, because there is nothing rational about asking you to prove yourself is there? Again just another insulting comment.
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It's wasting my time and is boring.

And despite how many times you say that you never stop posting afterwards and replying, making more accusations, and making this same sulk about how everything is boring.



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11 Sep 2011, 12:01 pm

If you want to continue ignoring the obvious as I prove it as even with you and your Nazi arguments toward the U.S and your pride side kick Mr. Turning and his sperm bank selective genetics pride as it relates to the pride modality you folks progress then I will not be ignorant for political correctness imposed by people whom are not even diagnosed and who claim "autism" sensitivities for their autism privileged objective to limit my expressed thinking. Why do any research if people are just going to fib to themselves right here in front of the whole forum. Other then that I am bored and I'm sorry like the saying goes did you say something I can't hear (see), hello is anyone there? You have been on my ass everyday for 2 months since I disagreed with you in one of your posts. All I see is a few folks who cannot be honest with themselves who refuse intellectual discourse and instead enact heightened sensitivities to control others views including someone diagnosed with autism about autism and whom otherwise are not even diagnosed.

This is boring.


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11 Sep 2011, 12:18 pm

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If you want to continue ignoring the obvious as I prove it as even with you and your Nazi arguments toward the U.S and your pride side kick Mr. Turning and his sperm bank selective genetics pride as it relates to the pride modality you folks progress then I will not be ignorant for political correctness imposed by people whom are not even diagnosed and who claim "autism" sensitivities for their autism privileged objective to limit my expressed thinking.

What? I ask you for evidence of your positions and now you're accusing us of ignoring the obvious! Sidekick AlanTuring? What is this! Accusations abound! You accuse me of being bigoted against your beliefs because I don't accept them at face value. What sort of argument is that? I wont even go in to most of the other stuff you accused us of. It is beyond terrible!

I can't see how accusing us that we say the USA are like the Nazis makes sense either. Where did we do that.



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11 Sep 2011, 12:21 pm

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If you want to continue ignoring the obvious as I prove it
ci, your continually stating that something is so is not proof and the burden of providing proof for a challenged claim rests with the claimant. Sorry, that's just the way it is.
If it's all that obvious to you then it should be a simple matter to post evidence. That's all Gedrene has asked for: evidence.

The remainder of your post is a childish insult and deserves no response.


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11 Sep 2011, 12:21 pm

Again yet another manipulation. I didn't accuse you or anyone else of bigotry for disagreeing with this topic. That's just made up and you know it. Quite twisting things as that is why it's boring talking to you. IF you cannot see the evidence you and some others express on this forum about the pride modality and twist evidence regularly what is the point with arguing with you. YOU have an agenda and it's not rational discourse that is desiring to find the FACTS. Discovery with you is a game of cat and mouse instead of true intellectual discovery.


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11 Sep 2011, 12:24 pm

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If you want to continue ignoring the obvious as I prove it
ci, your continually stating that something is so is not proof and the burden of providing proof for a challenged claim rests with the claimant. Sorry, that's just the way it is.
If it's all that obvious to you then it should be a simple matter to post evidence. That's all Gedrene has asked for: evidence.

The remainder of your post is a childish insult and deserves no response.


To the contrary the evidence is all over. Even on this forum and expressed by Mr. G. Have you been following the conversations? It's only childish because you disagree with it. What your saying is an insult in of itself so your guilty of insulting. Again just back to the nonsense of removing intellectual analysis and back to the politics of attacking personality. That's childish when I want intellectual discourse and seems to be why the pride movement has been ignored.


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11 Sep 2011, 12:27 pm

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Again yet another manipulation. I didn't accuse you or anyone else of bigotry for disagreeing with this topic.

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as even with you and your Nazi arguments toward the U.S




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YOU have an agenda and it's not rational discourse that is desiring to find the FACTS. Discovery with you is a game of cat and mouse instead of true intellectual discovery.

This coming from the man who says he never accused us of bigotry the post after he said that I and AlanTuring somehow think the USA are like Nazis.



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11 Sep 2011, 12:28 pm

Again more manipulations and twisting things up. You cannot even do a discovery process because of your agenda to read into things to fit an agenda.


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11 Sep 2011, 12:29 pm

ci wrote:
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If you want to continue ignoring the obvious as I prove it
ci, your continually stating that something is so is not proof and the burden of providing proof for a challenged claim rests with the claimant. Sorry, that's just the way it is.
If it's all that obvious to you then it should be a simple matter to post evidence. That's all Gedrene has asked for: evidence.

The remainder of your post is a childish insult and deserves no response.
To the contrary the evidence is all over.
I don't see it. What I do see instead are unsubstantiated claims made by yourself.
But once again: if it's that's obvious to you then be so kind as to point it out for others.

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I have indeed, and with increasing exasperation at your unwillingness to engage.


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11 Sep 2011, 12:31 pm

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ci wrote:
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ci wrote:
If you want to continue ignoring the obvious as I prove it
ci, your continually stating that something is so is not proof and the burden of providing proof for a challenged claim rests with the claimant. Sorry, that's just the way it is.
If it's all that obvious to you then it should be a simple matter to post evidence. That's all Gedrene has asked for: evidence.

The remainder of your post is a childish insult and deserves no response.
To the contrary the evidence is all over.
I don't see it. What I do see instead are unsubstantiated claims made by yourself.
But once again: if it's that's obvious to you then be so kind as to point it out for others.

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I have indeed, and with increasing exasperation at your unwillingness to engage.


Others in PM agree and so does another member who bothered to just do a little research. Others lack of laziness proved beneficial to the conversation. Consider it a homework assignment and none of you have turned in your paper that complain the teacher has not done your work for you. You will get an F.


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11 Sep 2011, 12:37 pm

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Others in PM agree and so does another member who bothered to just do a little research. Others lack of laziness proved beneficial to the conversation. Consider it a homework assignment and none of you have turned in your paper that complain the teacher has not done your work for you. You will get an F.
:roll: Like I said, an unwillingness to engage. Instead you resort to pomposity and believe me ci, you are no teacher.


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11 Sep 2011, 12:42 pm

Cornflake wrote:
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Others in PM agree and so does another member who bothered to just do a little research. Others lack of laziness proved beneficial to the conversation. Consider it a homework assignment and none of you have turned in your paper that complain the teacher has not done your work for you. You will get an F.
:roll: Like I said, an unwillingness to engage. Instead you resort to pomposity and believe me ci, you are no teacher.

I wish I could just ask 'where's the proof?' and and get a straight answer sometimes.