a plan to destroy autism speaks

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You are right, ladies and gentlemen, I guess. This thread, as are others, is watched by the "muttawa" whose ranks
have been defiled by the corrupt ones. I cannot blame most of them, though, for that part. They are
just being mandated by their duties as "moderators" to enforce the "Dear Leader's" law and purge those who
crossed his path. I, on my part, am doing my best to break the system: a system of corruption and contradiction. And
the only way that I see that I can do is to put in everyone's face the bitter truth. Yes, there may be a very fine
line between what is morally right and wrong, but I guess a lot of us cross this line now, don't we? As for
you, what I said in my signature are facts, based on what the "Eternal President" had done. That, in my book, is a
con. I am not going to remove anything because someone insignificant told me so. No boasting meant, I have been a literary
artist by hobby, and my personal creed is what I did has already been done. I am not about to go ahead and
eat my words back. But going back to your premise on "facts," either they are half-truths or twisted lies. But
my saner self says that I would love to look at them. Why not send your links to me through e-mail, so I could debunk the
crap I have been hearing from this deception for good? You call my word "emotive," "with misrepresentations," and "unspecific?" I doubt
you actually understand what I really meant when I speak this words. Personally, I would rather grab myself a
barf-bag and vomit over disgust rather than speak about it, but then, I beg to differ.

Enough of literary riddles. You want straight stuff? Here you go:
- Can you explain Autism Speaks's unexplained wealth?
- Can you explain its black propaganda on autistic people and its attempts to gag self-advocates?
- Can you explain its stance on prenatal testing and one of its members wanting to murder her own son?
- Can you explain the massive deception that Autism Speaks is trying to propagate and claim as the truth?

There are plenty of questions on the queue, I'll follow them up as we move along. Just convince me well, and I will consider stopping this charade.

oh absolutley were always watching you.see that van sitting down the corner that says lymans plumming.thats realy autism speaks secret police installing a wire tap on all your electronic communication equipment.all of your info is being passed on to the FBI,CIA and MI5.you can run but you cant hide from the peoples rebublic of wrong planet.

You're not getting anything straight as you're not listening. You're not being rational. You're just being chaotically emotional and are overdoing it with hyperbole. All to defend a position that isn't favorable. There are some autistics who are extremely apt and functional, and therefore successful, while many others on the spectrum are the opposite. Many think that's an exploitative injustice. Cure is to get rid of the disability the low-functioning have so nobody has intellectual advantages over anyone else. When someone is that disabled, they need a way out. Nobody who is highly impaired, child or not, wouldn't want a cure. You have presented no meaningful reason why someone would want to remain impaired. I think you're the one advocating a reality in which they endure subhuman conditions that hurt them consistently. And being super nice to them to their face doesn't make up for the fact that others intentionally keep their privileged position over them. I think they would like to have something of their own.

Hahaha. This is the most senile reply I have ever received. Very, very juvenile.

Can't stand Autism Speaks.

you used 2 conflicting descriptions.senile or juvenile they cant both be right can they

Yes, I meant it. Senile in the sense you seem to not know what you're talking about, and juvenile in the sense that your answer is so childish.

Oh, and considering that you claim to be "liaison officer" of this "empire," I don't expect that to come from you. Still very laughable, nonetheless.

I'd also like to destroy that organization, but they have so many worshipers that it would be impossible.

That's no "claim", it's fact - and there is no empire except the one you're building inside your head.
Also, I wouldn't throw around words like "laughable" quite so freely if I were you - you might find it sticks rather better to you than anyone else.

I've already presented the facts, and the links. I suggest you go back over the thread to view them, if you can't find one you are welcome to ask for them point by point, and I will provide the page in this thread where they are linked.

Per your points above.

Autism Speaks is a non-profit organization, per their IRS status. The money the organization raises for funds is accounted for; the organization by law cannot make a profit, therefore it has no wealth for any owner.

Here is the link from the Charity Navigator organization that provides a 4 out of 4 star rating, for the organizations accounting transparency, and 3 out 4 stars overall rating, which again, matches the highest level of any other autism organization, per charity navigator ratings.

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=12720

Here is the link below that analyzes the median salaries for CEO's of charitable organizations that do not include health benefits, etc. The CEO of Autism Speaks per the 2010 IRS form 990 quoted below, provided in the first link from the Charity Navigator Organization, made $347,427. The median salary of CEO's in large organizations in the Northeast similar to Autism Speaks was $351,539, per the figure quoted below, provided in the linked report, below.

http://www.charitynavigator.org/__asset__/studies/2010_CEO_Compensation_Study_Revised_Final.pdf





There is no black propaganda on autistic people; you will have to provide an example, if you are misunderstanding any of the advertisements the organization currently uses, and I will attempt to explain them to you. The organization does not paint a sugary picture of the disorder of autism. To motivate donations for fundraising efforts, they must provide the concerns that exist, in a way that captures the attention of those that might support the mission to fund research, awareness, and education efforts.

The organization has no employees that want to murder their son. Years ago the organization, had an employee, that resigned, that provided a personal account in a documentary video of what she has described as irrational thoughts, regarding driving off a bridge with her daughter, because of personal stress, per her frustration over finding a school for her daughter that would treat her in a humane way. She described it as a passing irrational thought, and was able to eventually get home therapy for her daughter, through behavioral interventions.

A link to her response to criticism of her statement, that she admitted should have been clarified better in the documentary video:

http://autismsciencefoundation.wordpress.com/2009/09/09/speaking-out-about-autism-every-day/

This video documentary and the "I am autism" video was removed from Autism Speaks main website, per constructive criticism of some who found it offensive, in the autistic community.


The organization has attempted to gag no self-advocates. They had an obligation by law to protect their trademark, and as already discussed, provided a formal request through a cease and desist letter, to advise that their rights had been infringed upon. The individual complied with that request and there was no legal action.

There was another incident where an individual thought that the organization was attempting to prevent them from producing a T-shirt, but it was not autism speaks that was responsible for that action, it was the actual company responsible for manufacturing the T-shirt.

If you are aware of evidence of any other incidences you will have to provide them. Autism speaks has moderators on their forums, that deletes offensive comments from their websitse, as any other forum, but they allow criticisms that are not personal attacks, on their forums. They still exist on their facebook forums, easily accessible to anyone that cares to look.

There is no evidence that Autism speaks has provided any deceptions. You will have to provide an example of what your are talking about, if you are misunderstanding something they have said, and need an explanation.

I've already provided evidence in this thread that autism speaks does not support research for a prenatal test, both documented in an interview with the organization, and documented in their current 2012, restrictions for their research that details that research as research funded to address issues across the spectrum of autism.

And again, if you really want to know everything that could possibly be said bad about autism speaks, there has already been a similar thread to this one, that I've linked in this thread, 45 pages long that lasted for about 3 months, that addresses and refutes all accusatory statements that have no foundation in facts or evidence, with all the third party links to evidence that refutes those statements.

There is likely many issues in that thread that you have not even considered as complaints against autism speaks, that are addresssed.

I suppose the effort can be duplicated here, but at most it is just free advertisement for Autism Speaks, for the over 14,000 average visitors that view this site in a day, and have another opportunity to see the catchy phrase autism speaks in a topic thread, for the potential to do their own research into the organization's reputation, and become another potential financial supporter. That was the premise of the last 45 page thread, bashing autism speaks just gives them free advertisement.

Even your signature line is potential free advertisement for autism speaks, for someone who might notice that signature line in a completely different thread, and does the research to figure out why you are saying offensive things about the owner of the website. It's an opportunity for people to look at your posting history, and get referenced back to some of these threads, that provide the references for people to do their own research, if they don't believe the accusatory statements that are made in the many threads similar to this one.

I've already provided an alternate scenario for those that would rather go in a constructive direction to actually support another alternate autism organization, if they are so inclined, through the guidestar.org website, that provides a listing of over 2000 organizations associated with autism, some that may exist in one's local area that they are not even aware of. Most people do their own research from reputable third party resources in determining whether or not they are going to support a charitable organization. Google makes that easy. Threads like this can potentially make it even easier, for some.

Here is the link again, of the three month thread, with a quote of the Op by Lotuspuppy:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt177883.html



This thread was probably about ready to die, but if you like we can continue a reasoned discussion for another 40 pages, that continues to provide free advertisement for autism speaks. Or, on the other hand that potential can be minimized by looking at a thread that has long since lost it's green light status at the top of the list of threads in this particular discussion group.

I'm not a financial supporter of autism speaks, nor am I connected to the organization in any way. It's just another special interest that I've gained that I've collected quite a few facts on that I can monologue on for days on end. I enjoy the discussion as a mental exercise, so please do continue if you like.

There are many organizations that have close to duplicate missions as autism speaks per research, awareness, and education efforts, such as the Autism Society of America, and their sister organization the Autism Research Institute. They are much smaller organizations, per revenue funded, so they could actually use the free advertisement as much or more than Autism Speaks. I've collected some facts on them as well.

The Autism Society of America is actually recommended by the ASAN organization on their website. Interestingly the ratings for Autism Speaks from the Charity Navigator organization are criticized in a factsheet linked below, currently posted on the ASAN website, focusing on one element that autism speaks received as a two star rating vs. mentioning the other element that they received 4 stars on or mentioning the overall 3 star rating.

More interesting is this criticism is provided directly across from the recommendation for the Autism Society of America that received the same rating on both elements as well as the same rating overall. The rating in both cases meets the standard for the Charity Navigator Organization for highly rated charitable organizations.

I'm not sure if the ASAN organization understands the Charity Navigator rating system or if they have even looked at the fact that the organization they reccommend has the same rating, but one thing I suspect is that anyone that looks at that webpage and actually verifies the information, will see it as misleading information, once they find that the rating for autism speaks is a highly rated one on the actual Charity navigator organization website. And if they decide to type in Autism Society of America, ASA, in determining their rating, in a decision of which organization to support they will find the same rating for them.

I see the ASAN organization, the ASA organization, and the Autism Speaks organization as all having worthwhile missions to fund to help people with autism. The Autism Society of America has been around since 1965, Autism Speaks has been around since 2005, and ASAN has been around since 2006.

There are no errors of misinformation that have been pointed out on the Autism Speaks or ASA website; apparently they have done their homework, to avoid misinformation.

ASAN is the only one of three of those organizations that is making a concerted effort to create a critical picture of another organization and a recommendation of another organization, in part based on a criticism of their Charity Navigator Ratings, where only one organization is criticized for the same elements and overall rating scores of 2 star, 4 star, and 3 star overall ratings, that the other organization receives. Both organizations, which are scored as highly rated per the Charity Navigator organization that one can look up with the link I provided, if they like.

There are no ratings provided at all for the other two organizations, listed per recommended organizations to contribute to, including the organization that is making the criticism, just recently gaining their non-profit status, per form 990 IRS requirements.

http://autisticadvocacy.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Autism_Speaks_Flyer.pdf

Also note on the linked factsheet above, that neither Autism Speaks or the Autism Society of America has a mission goal stated of providing direct financial support to autistic invidividuals, nor the other two organizations listed on the factsheet, but never the less, autism speaks provides over 1 million dollars of support to families, about 3 percent of their revenue, and none of the other organizations listed exceed autism speaks support efforts to provide financial support to autistic individuals.

Interestingly Autism Speaks is criticized on that fact sheet for providing what is a greater level of contribution in this area than the other three recommended organizations efforts added together.

In addition, it appears misinformation is provided on that fact sheet that autism speaks portrays autistic adults and children as burdens on society that must be eliminated as soon as possible. Autism Speaks has always used people first disability language, and always referred to the disorder of Autism as a disorder not an identifier of a human being. They do not suggest in anyway that autistic adults or children should be eliminated as soon as possible.

Per autism speaks research restrictions, already provided in this thread, they seek research into diagnosis, causes, preventions, behavioral interventions and effective drug treatments for the disabling symptoms and co-morbid conditions associated with autism.

The fact sheet linked, also appears to misinform that autism speaks is funding the prospect of a prenatal test, which is not part of their research restrictions, as evidenced here time and time again. And, also directly answered by the organization in the interview quote provided in this thread, that they are not funding a prenatal test.

The fact sheet states that autism speaks refuses to allow an autistic member on their board of directors, when there is no evidence provided that any autistic person has expressed an interest on being on that board of directors, nor is their any evidence that autism speaks has refused any interest of someone being on that board of directors.

The factsheet does not mention the contribution of John Elder Robison on Autism Speaks scientific advisory board, and his efforts in providing input into the organization's direction of research. The organization is now funding efforts of research into adult autism, that was not funded by any other organization until recently with autism speaks research restrictions, per funding in 2012, as listed in this thread.

I've provided clarification not only on your criticisms, but also additional criticisms from what is considered as a reputable source by some as a self-advocacy organization, that appears to have provided incorrect information on a number of issues per the fact sheet linked.

I know of at least one individual that has provided similar constructive clarification directly to the ASAN organization, in hopes that the organization would correct what appears to be misinformation, on the factsheet linked, but as far as I know, that constructive clarification has been ignored by the organization.

I don't see any other significant problems or issues with that organization, but that organization will soon receive similar scrutiny by the Charity Navigator organization, now that they have the same non-profit IRS status as ASA and Autism Speaks.

it was intended to be funny not factual.i was not trying to sound like i knew what i was talking about.it was a joke period.and what is the bigger joke is your paranoid conspiracy theories about this website

there you go

You can call me any name in the book -- paranoid, conspiracy theorist, a big joke, whatever -- but clearly, your minds
are clouded by deception. I do not mean to deceive -- I mean to enlighten, and if you people don't want to listen, it is not
a problem of mine. As CockneyRebel has said, the criminal organisation Autism Speaks has too many worshippers, so it seems
worthless to fight against something that would resemble Scientology or God Hates Fags. It would be like trying to scuffle with a
bunch of kids who are addicted to ethylene glycol (which is sweet-tasting, but exteremely poisonous). And speaking
of which, thank you, aghogday, for giving me those pointers, in an attempt to convince me. Okay, you did point out the film those
morons did, titled "I Am Autism." Yeah, right, personal stress. But that doesn't give the whore any excuse to say things that would
so offend other people. Oh, and putting trademark as a front is an excellent ploy in gagging self-advocates, and clearly,
you have overlooked that old corporate tactic. As for the "Autism Speaks can go away" shirt issue (yes, and I knew a lot of it), I very well
can say who did who. Zazzle, under compulsion from the Mafiosi at Autism Speaks, prevented the self-advocate from producing
all of the shirt. Now, isn't that called "gagging"? And cease-and-desist letters are being used by corporations to
go and harass the little ones. Plus, I don't need to state what is obvious, the deceptions and misrepresentations, and all that. I don't need
to explain what has been explained ad nauseam. Oh, yeah, and back to my signature, you like it, don't you? I don't know why the
hell are you making a big deal with my signature. And please, some of the users here must have the noses bleeding
together with reading you legalese, so I suggest you stop this charade, because I am not convinced by your twisted lies.

She was in a depressed and psychotic state where it seemed to be solution to problems, real or imagined. Whats the relevance? Seems like maybe an attempt to discredit an organisation you oppose by association?

Like I said before, it still not an excuse for her to do that. Highly relevant, considering she is a member of said group, which entails the principle of "command responsibility."

No-one says its an excuse, had she done it she would forever and rightly be called a murderer. I dunno but I think she's an ex member.
But it illustrates the stresses on parents caused by looking after children with severe Autism, and what can potentially go wrong. These stresses are real, and its not good for the parents or the children.