Leave the pro-cure groups alone

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It seems you didn't comprehend my post at all. Sad.

A cure, a pill, based on? Show some serious experiments, autism is found in the whole rodent branch

The Neo cortex is new, the species has gone through many steps of larger and larger brain, and how does that happen?

From what I have been hearing, "stop evolution now!"

It was only 40,000 years ago when thick skulled round heads were replaced with long heads, with thin skulls. Expanding dense brains? It took several thousand years, then there were mostly long heads. I am sure there were some intermediate versions, who did not catch on to the new ways.

Please define what is so great about this imaginary NT that everyone should be just like them. Their constant warfare? Pillaging the planet for profit? Invading other cultures to enslave and extirminate them?

The root cause of a cure seems to be what Malcome X said, "The chickens will come home to roost."

Cure Autism, and ban the Internet! Make everyone sign loyality oaths?

A differance in thought and perception is seen as a threat by the weak. A world wide Internet army of nerds and geeks, functioning without needing faces, body posture, only mental content.

I do not hear this as lets cure the mentally ret*d. It is directed at the computer literate, intelligent, a threat, and because they do not care what you think, they should be forced to, to be like everyone.

Yes, the world is moving away from the old centers of power. Newspapers and TV no longer control public opinion, thousands of bloggers do. More books are now published by desk top publishers than traditional publishers, there is a loss of control.

It is all flowing to the computer and the Internet. The leading technological figures of the age are called geek, nerd, and weird.

Yes, they have that Autism disease, and should be cured, so normal people can use the Internet to watch football.

They care more about things and knowledge, placing it above being social with everyone. They must be cured, for normal people do not want to learn about things. They should not be allowed to change the world in secret from a keyboard. They are a threat to the herd! What about Herd Power?

It seems to be fading, and with the withdrawal of the thinking to the Internet, the face to face social world is much smaller, poorer, and has only each other to pick on. Hence the cause, 1% of children who have Autism are to blame. They must be cured, so normal people can feel normal?

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It is a matter of who can communicate with who and who are we to judge what is 'normal' and what is 'abnormal'. Severly Autistic kids are not braindead as much as everybody would like to believe it. They hear and understand what we're saying but they can't speak back. They are not ret*d. They don't need to be cured but we need to learn about how to communicate with them. This is where the research should be.

ThisUserNameIsTaken, you need to read the WrongPlanet Rules.
In particular:

Ah, but I consider it a neurological difference. I understand that you feel disordered, but that is not my problem.
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Hello.

I just want to tell you all to leave the pro-cure groups alone.

You have every right to have your opinion, but wouldn't you rather have good social skills than other positive aspie traits, in order to get married and have a family? Sure, aspies can do that, but it's a lot trickier (the troubling challenge of finding someone plus all the years God has cost me of having to learn social skills, I don't even feel like learning). Getting married and having a family is the MOST important thing I want to do in my entire lifetime, aside from everything else. What do you say?

And given that they almost never able to support themselves, I assume, you gonna pay for their living, huh? I think your position - is obvious sophistics.

And if you all haven't realized, aspies aren't very good at passing on their genes as it stands right now. Without a cure we'll actually get out-bred. So if your goal is to turn all of humanity into aspies, then you should actually want a cure because guess what? AS and autism will get bred out of the gene pool given enough generations.

It's ironic you ask this since the evolutionary drive for a bigger brain in humans was guided by the increased advantage that came with having better social abilities. You can read back a page or two to find a longer post by me on the subject, or just take any anthropology class.

40,000 years ago the only hominids on the planet were neanderthals and modern humans (and by that point the neanderthals were almost extinct), neither of which match the former description you gave. Modern humans are 130,000-200,000 years old, so you're way, way, WAY off on your dating.

I really don't think that people are threatened by the fact that we don't socialize...rather I think they see a bunch of people who aren't capable of socializing and they say to themselves "that's horrible, someone should help them". But hey, you go ahead and keep on thinking that everyone fears us and that's there's a conspiracy to take us all out because of our natural superiority to everyone else. I wouldn't want to intrude on your narcissistic fantasies.

It is all flowing to the computer and the Internet. The leading technological figures of the age are called geek, nerd, and weird.

Yes, they have that Autism disease, and should be cured, so normal people can use the Internet to watch football.

Most people that would be labeled as nerds and geeks do not have AS even though some people seem to think that being a geek or nerd automatically makes you an aspie. And many aspies would not appear to be nerds or geeks. And "weird" is a very vague term that pretty much applies to everyone who is a little bit odd. So really anyone with a mental disorder, eccentricity, who belongs to a sub-culture, or anything else that makes them stand-out even a little from the mainstream.

The whole curebie/neurodiversity debate's really a bit of a waste of everyone's time, because until a cure's available, no-one can pass judgment on which side of the divide they find it best to be on.

It might turn out that after trying a temporary cure, millions of AS'ers didn't want to return to their AS - preferring to remain NT/cured.
If none of millions of AS'ers wanted to return to their AS, would the anti-curebies STILL object to parents having their children cured ?

Aspie genes are not peculiar to Homo Sapiens.

They are common to all social mammals - because of the requirement for social hierarchy.

Without them, there would be unrestrained conflict for finite resources (territory, mates, etc) - which would heavily disadvantage populations without them vs. populations where innate hierarchy precluded conflict.

Animals lower down the hierarchy naturally defer to those higher up.
You see it in primates, dogs, meerkats, etc, etc.

Again, I want to see the cures for personality-traits first. Not even things like pedophilia or paraphilias, that seems to have a quite simple behavioral background, are today curable. The only cures here are to lower testosterone, which is not in any way a cure, and it does have side-effects. The "cures" for ADHD are in the same domain. And I'm still waiting for the cured apes that are able to communicate with NTs using NT nonverbal communication.

No, I'm not talking about a partial cure but a total conversion to neurotypicality (which doesn't yet exist) - from which none of millions of Aspies ever wanted to return.

What then ?

Would the anti-curebies STILL be against parents curing their children ?

The first ethical rule, First, do no harm.

A cure, a pill, based on? Show some serious experiments, autism is found in the whole rodent branch.

Dense Neuron Syndrome? That is all we have to go on.

The Neo cortex is new, the species has gone through many steps of larger and larger brain, and how does that happen?

From what I have been hearing, "stop evolution now!"

It was only 40,000 years ago when thick skulled round heads were replaced with long heads, with thin skulls. Expanding dense brains? It took several thousand years, then there were mostly long heads. I am sure there were some intermediate versions, who did not catch on to the new ways.

I am sure there were some who wanted to cure long heads. With the change came art and technology, and long heads were what was left.

Please define what is so great about this imaginary NT that everyone should be just like them. Their constant warfare? Pillaging the planet for profit? Invading other cultures to enslave and extirminate them?

The root cause of a cure seems to be what Malcome X said, "The chickens will come home to roost."

Cure Autism, and ban the Internet! Make everyone sign loyality oaths?

A differance in thought and perception is seen as a threat by the weak. A world wide Internet army of nerds and geeks, functioning without needing faces, body posture, only mental content.

I do not hear this as lets cure the mentally ret*d. It is directed at the computer literate, intelligent, a threat, and because they do not care what you think, they should be forced to, to be like everyone.

Yes, the world is moving away from the old centers of power. Newspapers and TV no longer control public opinion, thousands of bloggers do. More books are now published by desk top publishers than traditional publishers, there is a loss of control.

It is all flowing to the computer and the Internet. The leading technological figures of the age are called geek, nerd, and weird.

Yes, they have that Autism disease, and should be cured, so normal people can use the Internet to watch football.

They care more about things and knowledge, placing it above being social with everyone. They must be cured, for normal people do not want to learn about things. They should not be allowed to change the world in secret from a keyboard. They are a threat to the herd! What about Herd Power?

It seems to be fading, and with the withdrawal of the thinking to the Internet, the face to face social world is much smaller, poorer, and has only each other to pick on. Hence the cause, 1% of children who have Autism are to blame. They must be cured, so normal people can feel normal?

Bubba down at the feed store says they need a DNA change, just drain out the bad DNA, and fill them up with some Real American DNA.

Joe Bob at the autobody says they are missing some chemical, and the right one would fix them.

Down at the church the preacher knows it is demons, and sitting on the child will drive the demon out.

The views of three wise me, who do not mess with them computers.