a plan to destroy autism speaks
09 Jun 2012, 10:52 pm
nostromo wrote:
theimperiousdork wrote:
nostromo wrote:
theimperiousdork wrote:
- Can you explain one of its members wanting to murder her own son?
She was in a depressed and psychotic state where it seemed to be solution to problems, real or imagined. Whats the relevance? Seems like maybe an attempt to discredit an organisation you oppose by association?
Like I said before, it still not an excuse for her to do that. Highly relevant, considering she is a member of said group, which entails the principle of "command responsibility."
No-one says its an excuse, had she done it she would forever and rightly be called a murderer. I dunno but I think she's an ex member.
But it illustrates the stresses on parents caused by looking after children with severe Autism, and what can potentially go wrong. These stresses are real, and its not good for the parents or the children.
Yes, and the film, as well at that woman, is a scar of the face of the already butt-ugly group. Yet it portrays autism in a very bad light, which constitutes black propaganda, and it seems to generalise autism as a whole as a disabling condition when not everyone on the spectrum exhibit such signs, which constitutes misrepresentation. I understand how parents and guardians of people with autism feel when dealing with their children and wards, and I myself have dealt with a lot of low-functioners, and yet this twisted thought that said film attempts to propagate is poisoning the minds of many.
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09 Jun 2012, 11:26 pm
theimperiousdork wrote:
I am not convinced by your twisted lies.
All the information I have provided is third party sourced. If you care to dispute any of it, I suggest your provide resources, not unsupported claims, if you intend to convince anyone of your accusations.
To clarify your continued assertion that the mother is a member of Autism Speaks, Alison Singer has not been part of autism speaks for years, she runs her own organization called the Autism Science Foundation, that funds research separate from Autism Speaks. That information is provide in the link, in the last post.
As I've already stated, Autism Speaks has admitted publicly that they made misteps in the past per the interview linked in this thread. They have changed course, as necessary to meet a changing environment in marketing, research, awareness, and education.
Organizations that are successful do this. Organizations that are not successful ignore this requirement, for success.
Bringing attention to the misteps of the past, evidenced as corrected, is only more evidence that Autism Speaks is a worthwhile organization for some to support because the organization listens to contructive criticism, and does move in positive directions for success.
10 Jun 2012, 12:39 am
aghogday wrote:
theimperiousdork wrote:
I am not convinced by your twisted lies.
All the information I have provided is third party sourced. If you care to dispute any of it, I suggest your provide resources, not unsupported claims, if you intend to convince anyone of your accusations.
To clarify your continued assertion that the mother is a member of Autism Speaks, Alison Singer has not been part of autism speaks for years, she runs her own organization called the Autism Science Foundation, that funds research separate from Autism Speaks. That information is provide in the link, in the last post.
As I've already stated, Autism Speaks has admitted publicly that they made misteps in the past per the interview linked in this thread. They have changed course, as necessary to meet a changing environment in marketing, research, awareness, and education.
Organizations that are successful do this. Organizations that are not successful ignore this requirement, for success.
Bringing attention to the misteps of the past, evidenced as corrected, is only more evidence that Autism Speaks is a worthwhile organization for some to support because the organization listens to contructive criticism, and does move in positive directions for success.
I am having suspicions on you speaking on their behalf. Are you actually part of that criminal organisation? Whether you are or not, I am
still surprised that you would go to great lengths to leap to their defense. And as I always keep on saying ad nauseam, I
don't think I need to present evidence for something that is already obvious. I don't know if you're one of the Mafiosi, but I don't
trust this group, and I don't think I ever will. Whether people listen to my diatribes or attempt to silence me is their business. But
the point is the nature of the group that you, aghogday, are continually defending. What is innately evil will remain evil. And
Autism Speaks had been evil, and will remain evil. Wolves in sheep's clothing. Their activities, past and present, reminisce of the
Mafia, the Yakuza, the Nazis, the KKK, the WBC, and other despicable groups that have ever existed.
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10 Jun 2012, 5:18 am
theimperiousdork wrote:
You can call me any name in the book -- paranoid, conspiracy theorist, a big joke, whatever -- but clearly, your minds
are clouded by deception. I do not mean to deceive -- I mean to enlighten, and if you people don't want to listen, it is not
a problem of mine. As CockneyRebel has said, the criminal organisation Autism Speaks has too many worshippers, so it seems
worthless to fight against something that would resemble Scientology or God Hates Fags. It would be like trying to scuffle with a
bunch of kids who are addicted to ethylene glycol (which is sweet-tasting, but exteremely poisonous). And speaking
of which, thank you, aghogday, for giving me those pointers, in an attempt to convince me. Okay, you did point out the film those
morons did, titled "I Am Autism." Yeah, right, personal stress. But that doesn't give the whore any excuse to say things that would
so offend other people. Oh, and putting trademark as a front is an excellent ploy in gagging self-advocates, and clearly,
you have overlooked that old corporate tactic. As for the "Autism Speaks can go away" shirt issue (yes, and I knew a lot of it), I very well
can say who did who. Zazzle, under compulsion from the Mafiosi at Autism Speaks, prevented the self-advocate from producing
all of the shirt. Now, isn't that called "gagging"? And cease-and-desist letters are being used by corporations to
go and harass the little ones. Plus, I don't need to state what is obvious, the deceptions and misrepresentations, and all that. I don't need
to explain what has been explained ad nauseam. Oh, yeah, and back to my signature, you like it, don't you? I don't know why the
hell are you making a big deal with my signature. And please, some of the users here must have the noses bleeding
together with reading you legalese, so I suggest you stop this charade, because I am not convinced by your twisted lies.
1.I do not suport autism speaks
are clouded by deception. I do not mean to deceive -- I mean to enlighten, and if you people don't want to listen, it is not
a problem of mine. As CockneyRebel has said, the criminal organisation Autism Speaks has too many worshippers, so it seems
worthless to fight against something that would resemble Scientology or God Hates Fags. It would be like trying to scuffle with a
bunch of kids who are addicted to ethylene glycol (which is sweet-tasting, but exteremely poisonous). And speaking
of which, thank you, aghogday, for giving me those pointers, in an attempt to convince me. Okay, you did point out the film those
morons did, titled "I Am Autism." Yeah, right, personal stress. But that doesn't give the whore any excuse to say things that would
so offend other people. Oh, and putting trademark as a front is an excellent ploy in gagging self-advocates, and clearly,
you have overlooked that old corporate tactic. As for the "Autism Speaks can go away" shirt issue (yes, and I knew a lot of it), I very well
can say who did who. Zazzle, under compulsion from the Mafiosi at Autism Speaks, prevented the self-advocate from producing
all of the shirt. Now, isn't that called "gagging"? And cease-and-desist letters are being used by corporations to
go and harass the little ones. Plus, I don't need to state what is obvious, the deceptions and misrepresentations, and all that. I don't need
to explain what has been explained ad nauseam. Oh, yeah, and back to my signature, you like it, don't you? I don't know why the
hell are you making a big deal with my signature. And please, some of the users here must have the noses bleeding
together with reading you legalese, so I suggest you stop this charade, because I am not convinced by your twisted lies.
2.How am i deceiving anyone
3.Wrong planet gets some fanancial suport from autism speaks but it has no say in WP's agenda
4.All i do is ask people to be polite,I dont make issue of peoples politics
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10 Jun 2012, 6:41 am
vermontsavant wrote:
theimperiousdork wrote:
You can call me any name in the book -- paranoid, conspiracy theorist, a big joke, whatever -- but clearly, your minds
are clouded by deception. I do not mean to deceive -- I mean to enlighten, and if you people don't want to listen, it is not
a problem of mine. As CockneyRebel has said, the criminal organisation Autism Speaks has too many worshippers, so it seems
worthless to fight against something that would resemble Scientology or God Hates Fags. It would be like trying to scuffle with a
bunch of kids who are addicted to ethylene glycol (which is sweet-tasting, but exteremely poisonous). And speaking
of which, thank you, aghogday, for giving me those pointers, in an attempt to convince me. Okay, you did point out the film those
morons did, titled "I Am Autism." Yeah, right, personal stress. But that doesn't give the whore any excuse to say things that would
so offend other people. Oh, and putting trademark as a front is an excellent ploy in gagging self-advocates, and clearly,
you have overlooked that old corporate tactic. As for the "Autism Speaks can go away" shirt issue (yes, and I knew a lot of it), I very well
can say who did who. Zazzle, under compulsion from the Mafiosi at Autism Speaks, prevented the self-advocate from producing
all of the shirt. Now, isn't that called "gagging"? And cease-and-desist letters are being used by corporations to
go and harass the little ones. Plus, I don't need to state what is obvious, the deceptions and misrepresentations, and all that. I don't need
to explain what has been explained ad nauseam. Oh, yeah, and back to my signature, you like it, don't you? I don't know why the
hell are you making a big deal with my signature. And please, some of the users here must have the noses bleeding
together with reading you legalese, so I suggest you stop this charade, because I am not convinced by your twisted lies.
1.I do not suport autism speaksare clouded by deception. I do not mean to deceive -- I mean to enlighten, and if you people don't want to listen, it is not
a problem of mine. As CockneyRebel has said, the criminal organisation Autism Speaks has too many worshippers, so it seems
worthless to fight against something that would resemble Scientology or God Hates Fags. It would be like trying to scuffle with a
bunch of kids who are addicted to ethylene glycol (which is sweet-tasting, but exteremely poisonous). And speaking
of which, thank you, aghogday, for giving me those pointers, in an attempt to convince me. Okay, you did point out the film those
morons did, titled "I Am Autism." Yeah, right, personal stress. But that doesn't give the whore any excuse to say things that would
so offend other people. Oh, and putting trademark as a front is an excellent ploy in gagging self-advocates, and clearly,
you have overlooked that old corporate tactic. As for the "Autism Speaks can go away" shirt issue (yes, and I knew a lot of it), I very well
can say who did who. Zazzle, under compulsion from the Mafiosi at Autism Speaks, prevented the self-advocate from producing
all of the shirt. Now, isn't that called "gagging"? And cease-and-desist letters are being used by corporations to
go and harass the little ones. Plus, I don't need to state what is obvious, the deceptions and misrepresentations, and all that. I don't need
to explain what has been explained ad nauseam. Oh, yeah, and back to my signature, you like it, don't you? I don't know why the
hell are you making a big deal with my signature. And please, some of the users here must have the noses bleeding
together with reading you legalese, so I suggest you stop this charade, because I am not convinced by your twisted lies.
2.How am i deceiving anyone
3.Wrong planet gets some fanancial suport from autism speaks but it has no say in WP's agenda
4.All i do is ask people to be polite,I dont make issue of peoples politics
vermontsavant, actually, sorry to put it to you, but sadly, most of the premises in this statement are not directed towards you. Well, save for the first two sentences, which are really directed to you and Cornflake. Other than that, most of the premises cover aghogday and their statements. No offense meant to you or anyone else personally.
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10 Jun 2012, 6:53 am
theimperiousdork wrote:
aghogday wrote:
theimperiousdork wrote:
I am not convinced by your twisted lies.
All the information I have provided is third party sourced. If you care to dispute any of it, I suggest your provide resources, not unsupported claims, if you intend to convince anyone of your accusations.
To clarify your continued assertion that the mother is a member of Autism Speaks, Alison Singer has not been part of autism speaks for years, she runs her own organization called the Autism Science Foundation, that funds research separate from Autism Speaks. That information is provide in the link, in the last post.
As I've already stated, Autism Speaks has admitted publicly that they made misteps in the past per the interview linked in this thread. They have changed course, as necessary to meet a changing environment in marketing, research, awareness, and education.
Organizations that are successful do this. Organizations that are not successful ignore this requirement, for success.
Bringing attention to the misteps of the past, evidenced as corrected, is only more evidence that Autism Speaks is a worthwhile organization for some to support because the organization listens to contructive criticism, and does move in positive directions for success.
I am having suspicions on you speaking on their behalf. Are you actually part of that criminal organisation? Whether you are or not, I am
still surprised that you would go to great lengths to leap to their defense. And as I always keep on saying ad nauseam, I
don't think I need to present evidence for something that is already obvious. I don't know if you're one of the Mafiosi, but I don't
trust this group, and I don't think I ever will. Whether people listen to my diatribes or attempt to silence me is their business. But
the point is the nature of the group that you, aghogday, are continually defending. What is innately evil will remain evil. And
Autism Speaks had been evil, and will remain evil. Wolves in sheep's clothing. Their activities, past and present, reminisce of the
Mafia, the Yakuza, the Nazis, the KKK, the WBC, and other despicable groups that have ever existed.
No, I'm not part of the organization. You can look through the history of my posts and see the evolution of someone who came here, knew nothing about the organization, and learned more about it as time went on. It became a special interest for me, in part because I was a Jack Welch fan, from my interest in studying CEO's of large corporations, and the founder of Autism Speaks was his right hand man.
The founder of Autism Speaks, is one of true success stories among CEO's, who moved on to become the President of NBC, whom started two of my favorite networks MSNBC and CNBC. His reputation was impeccable as a the Vice President of GE, and the President of NBC. As well as I know human nature, people like that don't usually ruin a lifetime of perfected skills and reputation, by intentional design.
He designed a stellar organization from the ground up. Surprising with his guidance that the organization made any signicant mistakes, but there were a few misteps noted.
10 Jun 2012, 7:33 am
theimperiousdork wrote:
I do not mean to deceive -- I mean to enlighten, and if you people don't want to listen, it is not a problem of mine.
And this is where your case is exposed as hysterical, closed-mind rambling.You claim "A" and when third-party evidence is produced to disprove it you accuse people of not listening and then you put your fingers in your ears.
Any child of six can go "yah-boo-sucks ploppy face!!" and really, that's all you're doing here.
Instead of just mindlessly gainsaying the evidence ahogday has found for you, counter it with evidence of your own.
Provide evidence that Autism Speaks does the things you're claiming, without recycling long-debunked stories and resorting to idiotic emotional nonsense like "mafioso" or "worshippers" etc.
You say "Plus, I don't need to state what is obvious, the deceptions and misrepresentations, and all that." - but I'm afraid you do need to state it. You're claiming certain things therefore you need to show how they are true - otherwise you have no case whatever.
Well, I have pink unicorns at the bottom of my garden. It's true because it's obvious.
No. It's true only when evidence has been produced such that everyone else can see them too.
This:
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And speaking of which, thank you, aghogday, for giving me those pointers, in an attempt to convince me.
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I suggest you stop this charade, because I am not convinced by your twisted lies.
All ahogday has done is show you third-party links. They are neither his links nor his opinion.If you have something to counter them which isn't your own baseless opinion then please show it.
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Oh, yeah, and back to my signature, you like it, don't you? I don't know why the hell are you making a big deal with my signature.
Your signature wrote:
- Autism Speaks is a criminal organisation.
- The "Eternal President" Alex Plank sold his soul to Autism Satan.
- The Democratic People's Republic of Wrong Planet is crumbling.
- I exist to stir up a firestorm, to wake up the brainwashed.
- The "Eternal President" Alex Plank sold his soul to Autism Satan.
- The Democratic People's Republic of Wrong Planet is crumbling.
- I exist to stir up a firestorm, to wake up the brainwashed.
- You are opening yourself up to accusations of libel and possible legal action in the first line, unless the veracity of your statement can be demonstrated.
- The second line might be a personal attack but since it uses such infantile rhetoric it's likely to be no more of an attack than a child calling someone "bum-face".
- Likewise for the third. It's more ridiculous than anything else.
- The fourth may have you suspended or banned if that activity breaks too many WP rules - and before you sound off about how they're designed to impose Alex's will or other nonsense I suggest you read them. They're pretty reasonable and are mostly concerned with preventing people from running around annoying others.
WP ToS wrote:
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defamatory, or slanderous remarks about a person or company made in your posts.
If you want to continue making baseless accusations (and make no mistake, they are baseless unless you provide evidence) and exposing yourself to the risk of legal action then please, go right ahead.
Alternatively, you may like to consider this:
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10 Jun 2012, 7:40 am
i was addressing issues that concerned me because you implied that a simple joke was an attempt at a serious factual statement.so i defended my joke as being a joke.i dont know what that has to do with aghogday.
as far as aghogday,we are tired of seeing him attacked personaly, because he has the guts to defend an unpopular organization.aghogday is a man of integrity and has no part any evil empire
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10 Jun 2012, 8:35 am
No offense meant, everybody, but as I said, I am entitled to my own opinion here. If you cannot accept it, I, for
one, can only do so much as to be consistent. Now here's the deal: I'll be addressing this to everyone. If you
can not stomach what I say, then there is nothing I can do about it. I started to express my disgust, and it is too late for me to
stop. Again, I'm addressing this to everyone, not just to any specific user. Ban me if you can, but gag me you can't. As for
me, allow me to say what I want everyone to know about. Whether you believe it or not is no longer my problem.
Even if I have been saying diatribes against that vile group and how Alex Plank has broken his principles and sides with their ranks,
if no one speaks against it, everyone goes blind and would disregard such a transgression. I am here to stand up to it, and it's up to
you to follow suit. Now I and my cause are being threatened by some scoundrels. I can't really do anything anymore if they choose to
purge my account. But mind you, even if they do, let me tell everyone this: As long as the corrupt exist, someone will speak. I started with
me speaking against such travesty with inflammatory statements, the best thing I can do as a wake-up call. Now as for my statements,
I may have sounded contradicting at that point, and initially I said "Bring it on" because I was in the hopes that someone
will be able to convince me, but since I wasn't, I refused to listen, because it is the same lie I have been hearing, and
still a well-orchestrated lie at it. I may be on my own, and I saw this coming, so in practice, I don't feel threatened as much. Do not
be, however, conclusive that I exist solely to stir up some commotion. For a while, I have always been in this forum as a laid
back poster, having fun with buddies here. But then, things do change, and for some of us, change is bad. And
from that time on, I have attempted to post my radical thoughts on this vile group that some continue to defend. You may say "the
hell with you" in my face, but if you guys don't want to listen, I guess I shall move on, since I don't think we're going anywhere with this
and it is arriving to a point that some are being affected so much by radical thinking. The very thoughts of that group existing still
haunt my thinking, and I had to have my say. Again, this is my opinion, and if people think I would get into trouble, whether
you have my front or not is something I cannot have my say on. Still, I appreciated this discussion very much, and let's move on, shall we?
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10 Jun 2012, 8:46 am
theimperiousdork wrote:
I am entitled to my own opinion here.
Of course you are - no-one is attempting to deny you that.
But for your opinions to remain credible when challenged, they must be backed by evidence and all people are doing is asking you to provide that evidence.
It doesn't really matter how many times you claim what you state is the truth because if evidence is required before other people can see it as the truth - and yet you refuse to provide that evidence - then you simply weaken your own case.
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10 Jun 2012, 9:15 am
dalurker wrote:
You're not getting anything straight as you're not listening. You're not being rational. You're just being chaotically emotional and are overdoing it with hyperbole. All to defend a position that isn't favorable. There are some autistics who are extremely apt and functional, and therefore successful, while many others on the spectrum are the opposite. Many think that's an exploitative injustice. Cure is to get rid of the disability the low-functioning have so nobody has intellectual advantages over anyone else. When someone is that disabled, they need a way out. Nobody who is highly impaired, child or not, wouldn't want a cure. You have presented no meaningful reason why someone would want to remain impaired. I think you're the one advocating a reality in which they endure subhuman conditions that hurt them consistently. And being super nice to them to their face doesn't make up for the fact that others intentionally keep their privileged position over them. I think they would like to have something of their own.
You're not listening, you're not being rational, and you're being chaotically emotional and overdoing it with hyperbole and outright lies.
A "cure" is something that removes the entire condition.
And you are putting words in the mouths of people who aren't you - you don't know that they want to be "fixed."
I don't have to have evidence that people want to remain impaired. I know from experience that lots of people don't like having decisions made for them, though, and it's not fair to force people to take a cure if they don't want one.
I was trying to advocate people treating each other like people and not empty husks. Because that is the current reality and it sucks.
I'm not saying "be super nice," I'm saying, "don't treat them like they have nothing going on in their heads because they can still freaking hear and understand you." I'm also saying not to treat people like they're nothing but a drain on society, because I don't know anyone who wants to be considered a drain on society.
10 Jun 2012, 9:19 am
nostromo wrote:
theimperiousdork wrote:
- Can you explain one of its members wanting to murder her own son?
She was in a depressed and psychotic state where it seemed to be solution to problems, real or imagined. Whats the relevance? Seems like maybe an attempt to discredit an organization you oppose by association?
Uh, even if she was, as an authority figure of sorts she should not have brought that up in the first place. It would be one thing to admit it behind closed doors, but to a camera crew and thus the entire world? That's irresponsible - it makes it seem like it's OK to want to kill someone just because they're autistic. Or to actually do it.
It was also irresponsible of the editor to put that clip in the film - obviously the sentiment was shared or they would have cut it out.
10 Jun 2012, 9:31 am
LennytheWicked wrote:
You're not listening, you're not being rational, and you're being chaotically emotional and overdoing it with hyperbole and outright lies.
Your comebacks aren't even laughable.
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A "cure" is something that removes the entire condition.
Prove it.
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And you are putting words in the mouths of people who aren't you - you don't know that they want to be "fixed."
Nobody wants to have low IQs. Nobody wants to have language impairments. Nobody likes being socially inept. Nobody likes having weak motor skills/coordination. There is no reasonable or feasible doubt that they want those things fixed.
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I don't have to have evidence that people want to remain impaired. I know from experience that lots of people don't like having decisions made for them, though, and it's not fair to force people to take a cure if they don't want one.
Ah, you don't need evidence. I wonder why your word is of such higher worth compared to others. What does wanting to remain impaired have to do with not liking having decisions made for them? Being impaired leads to lack of choices and to the power and domination of others. Don't distract from that reality. Nobody is forcing cure on anyone. You have no evidence of that.
10 Jun 2012, 10:19 am
dalurker wrote:
LennytheWicked wrote:
You're not listening, you're not being rational, and you're being chaotically emotional and overdoing it with hyperbole and outright lies.
Your comebacks aren't even laughable.
Quote:
A "cure" is something that removes the entire condition.
Prove it.
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And you are putting words in the mouths of people who aren't you - you don't know that they want to be "fixed."
Nobody wants to have low IQs. Nobody wants to have language impairments. Nobody likes being socially inept. Nobody likes having weak motor skills/coordination. There is no reasonable or feasible doubt that they want those things fixed.
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I don't have to have evidence that people want to remain impaired. I know from experience that lots of people don't like having decisions made for them, though, and it's not fair to force people to take a cure if they don't want one.
Ah, you don't need evidence. I wonder why your word is of such higher worth compared to others. What does wanting to remain impaired have to do with not liking having decisions made for them? Being impaired leads to lack of choices and to the power and domination of others. Don't distract from that reality. Nobody is forcing cure on anyone. You have no evidence of that.
Actually, the reason I don't bring up "evidence" is because my word doesn't mean more than that of others. They can come out and say it themselves, and they do.
Antibiotics are a cure for a bacterial infection. Death is a cure for life. And all that good s**t.
You don't know that these things actually bother them. I am socially inept, and I really don't give a damn anymore. I have a speech impediment, which doesn't bother me, I have poor coordination [I bump into everything that's not in my direct line of sight when I walk] and motor skills, which hurts because I keep walking into stuff but oh freaking well. Did you know that there are people with bipolar disorder who actually like the highs and lows? This isn't really that different.
There are parents who would force a cure for autism on their children, even if the children were verbal and could function, and I take an example from homophobic parents with homosexual children. There are actually seminars where people take their kids to try to talk them out of being gay or "cure" them of their homosexuality. The homosexuality doesn't really affect them in an adverse way at all, and yet the parents see them as somehow deficient.
There are parents who had their autistic children drink bleach because a "study" showed that bleach "improved" their symptoms.
Somehow I don't think that those parents really want what's best for their children.
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10 Jun 2012, 10:57 am
@theimperiousdork: Isn't it hypocritical that you are going on this site and telling us how autism speaks is bad? It is apparant that you know that autism speaks helps fund this site, but you are still using it. Yes it is to spread the truth, sure, but you are still using a site funded by autism speaks.
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10 Jun 2012, 11:01 am
LennytheWicked wrote:
You don't know that these things actually bother them. I am socially inept, and I really don't give a damn anymore. I have a speech impediment, which doesn't bother me, I have poor coordination [I bump into everything that's not in my direct line of sight when I walk] and motor skills, which hurts because I keep walking into stuff but oh freaking well. Did you know that there are people with bipolar disorder who actually like the highs and lows? This isn't really that different.
Well, then I guess I'm just an incorrigible rebel who doesn't know his place, as I loathe living with my impairments. I haven't been pacified.
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There are parents who would force a cure for autism on their children, even if the children were verbal and could function, and I take an example from homophobic parents with homosexual children. There are actually seminars where people take their kids to try to talk them out of being gay or "cure" them of their homosexuality. The homosexuality doesn't really affect them in an adverse way at all, and yet the parents see them as somehow deficient.
There are parents who had their autistic children drink bleach because a "study" showed that bleach "improved" their symptoms.
Somehow I don't think that those parents really want what's best for their children.
There are parents who had their autistic children drink bleach because a "study" showed that bleach "improved" their symptoms.
Somehow I don't think that those parents really want what's best for their children.
Children aren't capable of looking out for their own interests. Adults make decisions for them. If someone is that functional, cure wouldn't have a meaning. It's not possible to cure impairments that don't exist. Homophobia isn't an example as it's not part of this topic. Those parents don't have a right to do things like have bleach administered as a treatment, nor do whoever else did that. But an actual cure isn't just something for a parent to decide, but is something that society and its professionals are obligated to carry out.
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