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I think you need to read it again in that case.

Read it 3 times. Nope, still seems clear to me.

... because unless you read the rules, and abide by them, you should not be posting on WP.

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To me the post seems to say that Aspies can prosper without cures, but obviously this translates to "Aspies have superior intelligence" for you. It is true that the Internet is a good place for Aspies, and it is pretty likely as well that most NTs use the Internet only to study the results of silly team-sports or read the latest news about celebrities. That is probably one of the reasons why there are so many Aspies on different forums not related to ASDs. Seems like ASD prevalence on general forums is more like 15% than 0.5%.

I don't mind people who don't want a cure. Everyone should have a choice. I don't have a problem with that.

But I do have a problem with this prevalent attitude of superiority. You claim that isn't what the post says. Here are a few quotes from it then.

''Please define what is so great about this imaginary NT that everyone should be just like them. Their constant warfare? Pillaging the planet for profit? Invading other cultures to enslave and extirminate them?''

So this is all fault of being NT. An Aspie could never do these things, we're too perfect.

''It is directed at the computer literate, intelligent, a threat, and because they do not care what you think, they should be forced to, to be like everyone.''

''It is all flowing to the computer and the Internet. The leading technological figures of the age are called geek, nerd, and weird.''

''Yes, they have that Autism disease, and should be cured, so normal people can use the Internet to watch football.''

These quotes pretty much show it crystal clear to me. That every intelligent person who's any good with a computer and uses it for something other than ''silly things''(and who are you to judge what that is anyway?) has Autism and NT's see them as a threat. Yes. That makes so much sense. A threat. Mm hmm.

''They care more about things and knowledge, placing it above being social with everyone. They must be cured, for normal people do not want to learn about things. They should not be allowed to change the world in secret from a keyboard. They are a threat to the herd! What about Herd Power?''

So we are the only ones who care at all about learning. All NT's don't and see anyone else as a threat.

It's such a convoluted theory. Why is everything some genocidal conspiracy against us?

"Isn't meaningful" = "I'm not answering that question" ?

It is typical NT traits.



You don't need to be especially paranoid to come up with this conspiracy. A look into DSM will suffice. Why are NTs putting every behavior that isn't natural to them in the DSM? Could it be for well-meaning reasons, or is it a tool to get rid of them by stigmatizing and eventually genocide when this becomes possible trough prenatal screening? I don't think I buy the well-meaning reason, so I subscribe on the latter.

The NT's are evil and must be destroyed !

BURN THEM, I say !

Yep, NTs have a history of getting rid of Aspies by burning them as well. The witch-hunts was just that. But I suppose you would complain that it wasn't NTs that acused women of being witches for being different either, it is just an evil plot from the anti-curebees.

Next you would probably also tell me that parents that has killed their autistic children for various reasons related to curing them, are not evil either, but heroic?

Rdos, you're being a bit paranoid. It's certainly not ''typical'' of NT's...I mean, are you trying to tell me that Aspies never harm the environment or other cultures, but NT's practically strive to do so?

And the witch hunts were the results of paranoid fear from a less educated society. It has absolutely nothing to do about the extermination of aspies...

It is the same paranoid fear that is behind the construction of DSM, and the curebees. They are afraid of things they don't understand. And it has everything to do with Aspies, because the persecution of Aspies have a very long history. It didn't exactly start with the witch-hunts and DSM.

Why does everything have to be a conspiracy? They certainly aren't afraid of us.

So you mean that witches weren't burned on the stake because people were afraid of them? What else could be behind such horrible crimes? Why can't you see the paralels between the witch hunts and parents that kill their autistic children?

How many parents honestly do that? The witch hunts has nothing to do with Autism. There is currently no large force out there going around hunting us down and killing us.

It's laughable to think they're afraid of us, as is stereotyping NT's. They are most likely the most diverse group on the planet. You can't say ''This is a typical NT trait'', they're all very different people. And I hate seeing Aspies assume the worst of them. It's hypocritical, considering many say they don't want to be seen as this or that yet have even worse views of the opposite end.

And I can't see where this idea of ''fear'' is coming from. Is it such a leap that maybe they do see us as disadvantaged and want to help? Maybe you don't feel disadvantaged, but the lower forms of autism are, and many other aspies don't enjoy it either.

These are such contrived theories...genocide? Eugenics? Fearmongering?

Where is the evidence of this? How can you be sure it's fear, and not concern?

Sorry, but I'm not going to buy into the idea of a roving band of arrogant, evil planet destroying intolerant NT's who fear disadvantaged people and want to exterminate them.

No, the persection of the odd has taken on a different dimension. Instead of the stake, and forced sterilizations, the DSM is today the main player in the field. By putting medical disorder labels on people, NTs hope they will never reproduce, and thus "problem solved". You cannot possibly say that psychiatry or ASD-related diagnosis like schizoid and schizophrenia were initially invented in order to cure people? No, they were invented as excuses for putting people away, just like the stakes were. In my ancestry I have a woman that got hospitalized as "mentally ill" and she was robbed of all her rights. One might suspect the reason was not only because she was odd, but also as a way to silence her.



Humans have a long history of being afraid of the unknown. Why do you think this has changed recently?



Aspies are just as diverse as NTs. We each hold on to half of human diversity.



Of course I can. I can base it on statistics.



Yes, it is a big leap. It is also to ignore the history of psychiatry and the history of the persection of the odd.

Get those statistics then. And good luck making sure no Autistic people, disabled people, PDD, sematic pragmatic disorder, down syndrome or anything else were included.

If you look for the worst in people, you'll convince yourself of it. You still haven't provided anything that shows they don't truly want to help and that it's all about fear.