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28 Jun 2011, 3:12 pm

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I am sick and tired of Autism Speaks and allowing only NTs to speak. I do not really like ASAN since I feel a joint NT-autistic relationship needs to be done for the best.

Well you just said my opinion exactly, NTs always oppress us and ASAN trying to reason with them is pointless, so what are you going to do sir?


I said a joint effort is needed. You do not have that opinion. You believe that forced subjugation of a group of people is completely alright for your goals.


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28 Jun 2011, 3:19 pm

well i have seen that joint efforts are fruitless, really a waste of time. NTs never uphold their side of the bargain, they always mess around.



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28 Jun 2011, 3:23 pm

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well i have seen that joint efforts are fruitless, really a waste of time. NTs never uphold their side of the bargain, they always mess around.


I am sure you can give examples. The last time I checked, in the mental hospital I was in the entire staff was NT and no one tried to keep them there or have them rot like you imply with your rhetoric. You honestly believe that ALL NTs are out to get you? Again, your speech is based on a generalization of people. Branding all NTs the same is completely ignorant and manipulative to achieve your goal.


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28 Jun 2011, 3:28 pm

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well i have seen that joint efforts are fruitless, really a waste of time. NTs never uphold their side of the bargain, they always mess around.


I am sure you can give examples. The last time I checked, in the mental hospital I was in the entire staff was NT and no one tried to keep them there or have them rot like you imply with your rhetoric.

you keep on mentioning your precious mental hospital because i can't argue against your personal experiances. do you expect me to argue against that? it would be as pointless as a discussion with autism speaks. please lets keep this discussion to things that we can find proof of online.



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28 Jun 2011, 3:31 pm

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well i have seen that joint efforts are fruitless, really a waste of time. NTs never uphold their side of the bargain, they always mess around.


I am sure you can give examples. The last time I checked, in the mental hospital I was in the entire staff was NT and no one tried to keep them there or have them rot like you imply with your rhetoric.

you keep on mentioning your precious mental hospital because i can't argue against your personal experiances. do you expect me to argue against that? it would be as pointless as a discussion with autism speaks. please lets keep this discussion to things that we can find proof of online.


Yes it would be pointless. My experience shows that you are wrong. You do not want to argue that. Your premise is based on the fact that ALL do it, when my experience shows that is blatantly false. Are you implying that I might be faking this? That is also a good way to try to steer an argument, since this board condones it. I want examples of why joint adventures do not work.


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28 Jun 2011, 3:52 pm

a good example is how most NTs laugh off ASAN.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oouMQG3Oh6c[/youtube]
they really won't take us seriously.



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28 Jun 2011, 4:37 pm

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a good example is how most NTs laugh off ASAN.


Just so you know, Lenny Schafer is virulently anti-vaccine and runs a website about chelation therapy and such. I had to look it up since they ran the "they must be ignored" line.

You do realize that if you check more of these hateful remarks, they would be a very loud but select minority. The people you claim to be suppressing a positive view of autism are a very small group. Outside of Autism Speaks of course, but a lot of NTs do not agree with them; it is not as if NTs are in-line with the organziation. I do not hear much about Autism Speaks where I live, and they were not even recommended to me to visit by my psychiatrist, who mentioned ASAN instead. But to sit here and paint all NTs like this is incredulous. Have you visited:

Disability Scoop

The Neurodiversity Weblog

Left Brain / Right Brain Blog

Autism News Beat

The Chicago Tribune articles on autism? This one exposing dangerous autism treatments. This treatment might be the most dangerous of them all.

among others?

I am not saying this does not happen. I am saying that it is completely wrong and hateful to brand all NTs like they do not care, especially the part where they condone murdering autistic people; such rhetoric would put you as the successor to the Glenn Beck Show. Do you really want to be like Fox News? Because this is what they do. Take a situation and brand an entire group of people to burn with it. I am sure there are people here who also had positive and negative experiences with NTs, but they have probably seen both and not just negative, which again ruins your argument.


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28 Jun 2011, 4:41 pm

Who are these NT people?

Research shows that up to thirty percent of people have at least one Autistic trait, and the most recent research from The Briggs and Meyers personality test show 50.7 percent of the American public are classified in the Introvert category.

Neurological differences in sensitivity to Dopamine underlie Introversion and there is a correlation with Autism as well. And then there are the extreme extroverts; the thrill seekers, that have a different neurological makeup than the introverts.

Many of these people don't have a diagnosis of any sort but they certainly aren't typical. These introvert folks are all around you; we all notice the extroverts if we are introverts, they seek attention in a way we don't, but they are no more neurotypical than we are.

Statistically the Neurologically typical people are the majority in the middle with a balance of extroversion and introversion. They are the balanced ones, doing their thing, for the most part not giving anyone problems, living for family and work.

The people that make the decisions in the world are not neurotypical; they are the outliers; the extreme extroverts that seek the attention of the world. They are just as neurologically different as people with a diagnosis, they are on the other end of the human spectrum of neurological and personality differences.

We have to face the facts introverts don't seek the attention of the world; in general, don't have what it takes to run society, and it is the last place that most people with a diagnosis with Autism/Aspergers would want to be.

If ever the human species finds a way make everyone equally supreme, it spells doom for our species. Variation, mutation, is what got us to this point in history, we are now; we have no idea if any characteristics that aids in human survival will be beneficial one hundred years from now, depending on a myriad of possible inorganic/organic changes in our environment; sourced as cultural byproducts or of natural origin.

If one is living now there is a reason one is here and only one reason: one has the ability to survive. One can feel proud of that, they are one of the fortunate ones in the succession of millions of ancestors and beyond that through the inanimate matter that has existed since the origin of the Universe.

The most supreme ability in life is the ability to survive, everything else is frosting on the cake.
From that perspective dragon flies and cockroaches are the supreme ones, we have only been successful at survival for a tiny fraction of the time they have been successful.

The thing that benefits introverts most in survival is they are more cautious in life, and less likely to to endanger their life by the time they get to reproductive age. Extroverts, on the other hand are more likely to reproduce if they reach reproductive age: more social interaction means more reproduction.

The most a person can ask of themselves is to be happy who they are, if one starts to believe in themselves to be inherently better than others, eventually that philosphy will fail, we are all human and subject to fraility at any point in our lives.

You state that you want the neurotypical people to learn to be like autistic people and send them off to correctional camps if they dont? Which ones are neurotypical? the introverts, the extroverts, the ones in the middle, politicians, homemakers, athletes, cheerleaders, evangelists, scientists, engineers, doctors, philosphers, criminals, the mentally disabled, muscians, artists, writers, teachers, administrators, the mentally ill, the crippled, smokers, drug addicts, alcoholics, cashiers, stockers, janitors, librarians, stockbrokers, gardeners, carpenters, mechanics, the complexity and variety of the list could go on for pages.

Does your way of thinking and being fits all these conditions and occupations in society? Do you think they have the ability to be anymore like you than you can be like them? Do all people with Autistic traits think and act a certain specific way? Are they always introverts; are they ever extroverts? Many of these conditions and ways of life are part of the population that has Autistic traits. In your correction camp will all the Autistic people have to act and think like you do?

Cockroach and Dragonfly Supremecy exists. They act the same and have existed for millions of years. There is no such thing as individual supremecy among social animals; only alpha male competition for reproduction and there is always another alpha male waiting to take the last alpha males place. Variation, competition, and cooperation are the supreme traits that allows a social animal to survive. Cockroaches and Dragon flies are the species with the majority of neurotypicals, not human beings.

This is a very long post, lots to think about here, if you have time to read it. But considering all these factors, is the idea that there is supremacy in any group of humans that share some of the same characteristics a realistic one?



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28 Jun 2011, 5:32 pm

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I am not an ambassador but speak my own mind and a vast majority of people with autism don't know either you or I. I purposely disagree with autism pride and certain groups to speak my mind which is not a crime nor should be shunned unless they would in turn be shunned from those that think like me. No one is going to hand you a $14 an hour job as you have demanded I do for others especially when I myself do not get paid. Making candles is an option that others enjoy and is doing well in a major recession. We will get into other things. I'd like to see you do better then what I've done with a $4,000 federal grant. It's then I will take your criticism seriously.

well i am 15 years old so i doubt i could legally get paid or accept grants. but i will tell you what i have done at my age i have distributed hacking software for free to all my autistic friends and i have had parties at my house for them. I have in effect made a self supporting hacking community. we watch each others backs and enjoy each others company.


Explains some. You do have friends that's good. However are you talking about illegal hacking or simply software programming?


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28 Jun 2011, 5:42 pm

i distribute hacking software which could be used illegally although i myself plan to hack ethically when i grow up.



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28 Jun 2011, 5:49 pm

Proudly a cyber terrorists I see.


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28 Jun 2011, 5:49 pm

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illegal hacking. i don't think that we are obliged to obey the law because our country has failed to protect our rights and freedoms so no law morally applies to us. I am seeking to get employment that makes loads of money and undermines NT society as much as possible. my friends are all autistic and we share the cash.


Yeah, that might not be a good move to say that...


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28 Jun 2011, 6:16 pm

as of now there are no laws against possession and distribution of hacking software. and i have not and will not go into detail about what i do. nothing i said could get me in trouble.



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28 Jun 2011, 6:18 pm

And what you may be doing or have done could. Bragging about criminality openly is a great way to get attention. As to if you are actually conducting criminal activities who knows. Yet you have certainly bragged about the potential and justified it.


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28 Jun 2011, 6:22 pm

well i think that free speech gives me the right to say whatever. You or anybody else could check my ip adress right now and see that its clean. I'm such a good liar it almost looks as if I'm lying.



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28 Jun 2011, 6:26 pm

Yes free speech. I just think the matter is senseless.


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