Do you think we should have our own country?

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You do understand that what you're suggesting would be considered an act of treason, don't you?

This applies to anyone on this site that supports these notions.

We will live amongst the NT's, we must learn to cope with that reality.

Can you cite US case law to your position that discussing the concept of an Aspie community represents a capital offense?

Really, becuase I'm quite fond of my continued breathing, and I'd of course stop discussing an aspie community if it was illegal.

As I've mentioned so many times before, I'd like people to stop discussing "nations", mainly because there is no route to a Sovereign state anytime in the foreseeable future, and most of the discussions from that concept waste time that could be better spent discussing an aspie community.

However, WP does'nt allow me to change other people's posts, so I can't control what the OP called this thread. If you look above, even the OP changed from calling his concept a "nation".

You may want to actually read my post.
If you bother to, you will notice that I made no mention of a 'capital offense'.
Any attempt to organize a 'state' or 'nation' of any description will be viewed as a threat by any Nation that you live in.
Any attempt to 'take over several states' will be considered an act of war. People ought to be more circumspect when they post.
I'm only stating the obvious.

Incorrect - the post clearly states "I was referring to the sort of fantasies where ..." (emphasis mine)
Taken in context it's clear there is no intent to commit treason, or even discuss it.

I only reiterated what I said and nobody seems to react to it...My point was, why would we have an Aspie country, isn't the idea of a democracy that there is room for rights, respect, and minorities, which we and others are. Imagine how fragmented we would become as humanity if all separated into categories of subspecies...what the Nazis used to pick everyone.
When I frequented a few gay avenues when I was young, I saw a few stickers-One said: "have you ever met a normal person, and did you like it?"

Another read; "They arrested my neighbour because he was a Jew, next they came for the Moroccan immigrant, then the illegal was picked up, the Catholic, the blind one, I did not do anything...when they came for me, there was no one who stood up for me."

The thing would be to get rid of all countries and nations, no more borders, but live and think global...that's what we should be aiming at after the 21st. You get it...broaden your horizion, we are only fragmenting ourselves by creating tribes. That was the past...you can always buy an island...and declare yourself king Aspie the first, of the Great Aspie.

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Ahem. I feel the need to link to one of my favourite Cracked articles, re. the problems with any community/country above a certain size...:

It's all to do with how many people your monkey brain can think of as people.

That is, humans can't really think globally that well. 'Tis a pipe dream.

Anyway, whilst the actual number may be 150, humans seem to do best in groups of 50. Probably because it allows you to have a good number of slots available for those outside your group as well, enabling the world to be networked together through a multitude of little monkeyspheres.

So, since creating tribes is normal human nature...

Yeah, sure, but I'm not putting up my hand to live there. No offense, I'm sure you guys aren't like this (I know I'm not!) but every single Aspie I've known in IRL has been, uh, less than a meticulous groomer.

Jared Diamond's "Guns, Germs, and Steel" had an explanation of this as well, through I have to check my copy to see where he put that number.

His concept is that this issue is what forces the creation of laws and "states", since there is no way to have a functioning society without them over a fairly low (150-200?) number.

Since I assume that 99%+ of those with access to a functioning internet connection have experence in a state of laws and customs, I don't think that this is somethng that should block an Aspie community.

My point was more about how it is very difficult to actually care much about the people who are on the other side of the world who you don't know, because you can't really conceive of them as being human beings. If, say, a bus full of schoolchildren crashes in Indonesia, the emotional impact on my rounds down to about zero, since I don't know anyone on it and it does not effect my life. If, however, my cousin was on it, then that would have an impact, since I could actually think of the people on it as people rather than numbers.

This has very real consequences in the real world. People can keep buying phones that are made by underpaid Chinese workers who feel driven to suicide, because those Chinese people are not people in their minds, they are the beings which make iPhones. The factory is a blackbox, and few have any desire to look inside it. It doesn't help that it would be very time consuming to make sure you're not treading on some poor foreigner's face every time you buy something.

Anyway, that said, I think a community should be designed with that in mind. Go for an M2 community at most, and set the realistic Monkeysphere to about 50 people (which is about the size of a band) rather than 150. That means that you should be looking at 2500 people in any one community, and hopefully, whilst you won't know everyone there, you'll know someone who does - everyone will be a friend of a friend. Perhaps knowing that your actions are likely to affect someone who one of your friend knows will make you think more carefully about them. Beyond that number of degrees of separation, I suspect the effect will rapidly tail off. The absolute maximum size I think a community could get, then, would be about 40,000 people (200^2), but I don't think it would be able to get anywhere near that size realistically.

Magneto, thank you for the clarification, I misunderstood your previous post.

Funny thing is, a few pages back in the same book I mentioned earlier....is that concept as well.

I think we can cross the 2,500+ issue when we get there. It will be a good problem to have.

One of the models being described is essentially that of the barbarian clans that over ran the Roman empire.

The basic building block was the clan, which was an extended group of related individuals. It had a leader and averaged maybe 250-400 people. It could field about 100 warriors.

The next unit was the tribe which was made up of about 10 clans (2500-4000) people.

This was about the limit for a rough form of partially democratic government. The tribe and clan leaders made most routine decisions, but big decisions had to be approved by the gathered warriors of the tribe.

There were super-tribes made up multiple smaller tribes.