Why is aspie separatism/supremacy controversial?

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If you think you have a disorder, you do.

If you think social chit chat and small talk is the peak of human development, and a logical mind is a disordered mind, and should be cured, made to see the wonders of social mixing over boring studies and scientific work alone, I can understand your viewpoint.

If you think technology is exploding and even a focused mind will never keep up with developments, and lifetime study, crossing several fields, is needed just to be a minor player in the future, I can understand your viewpoint.

If you think technology just happened, that it is something made to order for the government by universities and business, I can see your thinking.

If you see that technology comes from one type of mind, Inventors, Researchers, and that those skills cannot be taught, and tech is an offshoot of a very small group, I agree with your thinking.

A first principal of self worth is to value what you are, what you can do, and seek to use your best skills.

There are professions that have a pill to stop that, and they make money while doing damage to the whole. Anyone with a desire to do something other than what they do is disordered, and needs to become a customer.

Other people ignore them, and seek their own place in the universe, without concern for the social customs of small tribes and their technology taboos.

Who you are has a lot to do with who you think you are. No one else will think the same of you, so you have only the voice within as a true guide.

Oooh I'm joining! (sorry nothing interesting to say anymore)

I guess it's mainly not PC to think that one group of people can be better or not better than other groups.

Personally, I think it's an interesting idea. But it's not a good idea to go around thinking you're some kind of mutant ubermench.

The way I currently see it is that aspies play a small but important part in the collective human organism. I was reading about bees (I think it was bees), and it turns out that they have 'eccentric' or 'outsider' bees, who go out looking for new sources of food, and the majority just stick to tried and trusted feeding grounds. But the eccentric bees sometimes discover new and exciting areas to plunder, and pretty soon the idea spreads through the hive until all the mainstream bees are following the new trend. That's kind of how I see us. Of course, some of the eccentric bees never come back.

It might not be bees, it might be bacteria or something. There was an awesome chapter on it in Howard Blooms book 'Global Brain', which I recommend, I'm sure an aspie audience would eat that book up.

Thats nutters that think that. We are super rational people, and know that evolution happens by tiny increments. You can believe aspies are the future with out putting your self in a pedestal.

I've heard several studies over the past few years that women now value computer and tech skills over "jockish" skills . . . which gives Aspies an advantage, and rate such men as more attractive. I've heard no such studies regarding the views of men, so I cannot comment on that. Apparently, in today's technologically advanced world, women now look at such men, whether consciously or unconsciously, as better mates and providers.

This article is vaguely related, but also suggests an "arty" element to attraction, which could just indicate the current trends and the "hipster" movement.

http://www.earthsky.org/blogpost/Human- ... e-a-chance

Anything is possible. If the trend maintains, then such types could eventually distribute their genes through the population.

I guess there are people who truly embrace their aspieness to such a degree that they consider themselves to be above other people.

And then there are aspies like me who hate having this everyday and wishes I was dead. Heh

I dunno if I like the idea of geeks taking over all of human society. Yes there are lots of unintelligent people but there are people out there of average intellect that are knowledgeable in many things that not many aspies can comprehend. You need a mixture of all intellects in order to function in a society.

Did you ever see that episode of the Simpsons where Lisa joins a club for High IQ folk, and then they gain control of the town due to an old statute? I think it'd be like that.

I don't remember that, but I would love to see it. As my roommates, amongst the three of them, own most seasons, an episode title, or at least a season or era reference, would be appreciated.

They Saved Lisa's Brain

I remember when it became the cool thing to become a geek. Look at all the "Nerds Rule" t-shirts. Who knows? I think it's kind of ignorant to claim you have all the answers about evolution one way or another.

I'm still not sure why people (both AS and NT) react so strongly to this issue. It's like abortion.

what are you going on about? Every walrus and dolphin and mammal in the sea is going 'arc arc arc' having a good chuckle at such nonsense! Even I appreciate my hard working lungs when I swim. You might want to rethink you position on useless lung in water.

Merle

Smart ass

Flight is impossible, because steam engines are too heavy

This sounds like a standard aspie neurotypical interaction. An aspie says something speculative, meant to be taken literally, and the neurotypicals try to read between the lines and take it as a threat.


I think aspies who are comfortable with themselves and realize they aren't disabled are more likely to like the idea of an aspie society. Aspies who think of themselves as inferior and want to be what they think neurotypicals are like are more likely to object to the idea.

Aspies communicate with each other more efficiently than neurotypicals communicate with each other, as aspies don't have to waste as much time on ego stroking. This can make aspies more productive, giving them more resources for children; it can also make them more efficient at raising those children, allowing them to raise more of them.

Granted aspies are at a disadvantage in the currently neurotypical dominated society, so reaching a critical mass might be difficult. In addition, it may be that neurotypicals are at an advantage in times of surplus. However, among my own acquaintances - which, granted, is an unusual group - aspies have on average twice the number of kids that neurotypicals have, so it's not completely far fetched.

You know, there's one inherent problem with this line of thought: It's a black and white, 'us and them' style of thinking.

What do we want? Neurodiversity. To be accepted. Harbouring a feeling that we're better than NTs is just plain stupid - does anyone think that NTs are likely to accept the differences AS presents if they're told they're "less advanced" because they don't have it?

Sure, a lot of us have brilliant talents in our own fields of interest that NTs envy. Yes, that could be seen as an improvement on NTs. But that's offset by social difficulties, sensory issues, etc.

This means nothing. It's like saying that a lizard is more advanced than a seal because it can survive in a desert, when you're talking about the arctic. Our direct approach to interaction usually causes more problems than it solves.



2 things:
1. correlation =/= causation
2. Sample size?

Aspies that can see the intrinsic value in other people (regardless of neural orientation) object to the idea of an aspie society.