I'm kind of offended by The Autistic Pride movements

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YOU ARE SO SO SO WRONG!! !!

Everyone before me has already proven how wrong you are.

I just wanted to pipe in to express my disgust with your sentiment. Even though I understand that you are completely ignorant about
the reality of being autistic.

Countless people have died, been tortured and abused soley because they were autistic.

AND there are plenty of autistic people who are also gay so you should wake up!

But But what about Gay Aspies? or bisexual ones like myself?

Don't feed the trolls.

Marriage and DLA is provided for autistics, though it it is also supplied for gay people practically everywhere in the developed world now.


Correct, there has never been any unified form or hate, or hate held in the public consciousness, against autism, or any policies in opposition to it, unlike homosexuality, although negligence toward the care of autistics appears to be the response to your argument.


Though action against homosexuality is becoming a rarer phemonenon these days, and the mistreatment of autistics has ended in numerous deaths.



Casey Albury - Lack of care drove parent to end life.
Angelica Auriemma - Not covered, a murder whould have been.
Dale Bartolome - This is the murderer, not the autistic, although his son was, and it wasn't out of hate, he subsequently shot himself.
Charles-Antoine Blais - "she did not want to leave her son alone or impose on others the burden of taking care of an autistic child", but was overwhelmed by that burden. Not hate.
Eric Bland - Another dead end, and I just noticed this meaty list is on facebook.
Jeffrey Bogrett - CAUSED BY SUDDEN DEATH DURING RESTRAINT.

This list goes on, but my point here is that for the most part a lack of proper support, resultantly driving caregivers over the edge, is the problem, not discrimination. It's an entirely different thing. And that isn't a justification, I'm explaining the problem instead of generalising it into autistic pride rhetoric.

We don't need autistic pride, we need proper care for people in need, and proper regulation of care facilities, because that is what would solve the problems people are raising in this thread.

For example if the Judge Rotenberg Educational Center had proper regulations enforced, the problem would be solved.
If an austistic pride group took all the autistics out, that leaves the rest, or if they take all of them out, or dicate fairer regulations, they are holding their own bias toward their group, dictating how those with ocd or bipolar disorder are treated. Should there be a bipolar pride too then? An OCD pride?

Uppity today, aren't we?
Just so you know, I happen to be the 'B' in that gibberish of letters, so you will not be accusing me of a 'straight' acting biased. But comparing who has the 'worse' end of the stick is not going to win brownie points here. Because there are people groups in the world and in history who had it worse then your LGBT 'movement.' And acting in this manner is not endearing.


We do, if we become too old. Most of the government 'goodies' go towards children.

Well, that is because you haven't looked. Several people have shown you the long lists already, so me doing so would be redundant.


Don't you think we'd like it to be?

You are right. They aren't comparable, because our issues are much more profound. I can hide my sexual preferance, but I can't hide my autism, because people always know 'something isn't right.' Add to that the chronic employment issues I had, risk of being institutionalized by a 'concerned' doctor (when I was younger), difficulty in attaining/keeping relationships and so on, and you will see that it's not a piece of cake.
Frankly, I find it a thousand times easier dealing with having attraction towards other women, then it is to deal with having autism. Because if your gay, people will practically kiss your rear to gain PC browny points, but they'll shove you in an institution and call you a 'burden' if you are autistic. So I don't think you really have an idea of what's it's like.

Exactly. I think it's all the same evil that leads to dehumanization of "the other," no matter which subpopulation's turn it is to play that role. This is about human rights.

We're f****d, heheh.

Divide and conquer routine.

Pin male aspies up against female aspies

Pin homosexuals up against aspies

Actually wait, I have heard someone complain about the aspie movement before and talk about how the autism movement is stealing from the gay pride movement. Well I have some news. Before there was the gay rights movement, there was the women's rights movement. Before that there was the black rights movement. Anytime a new movement is formed, the previous group declares somehow the next group of people tired of being treated like garbage is just trying to steal their thunder as if it's more about taking credit and attention.

If you do care about the rights of the group of people you represent good for you but don't come in here pretending you know anything about what those with autism go through. If anything instead of this divide, piss, moan and conquer routine that is if you really care about human rights you would understand that females, African Americans, gays and people with autism all have something in common.

We're tired of being treated like lesser beings that aren't worthy of rights for being different. I've heard people tell me before to "hide" it. "Mask" it. I think I've done a decent job at times but I can't fool anyone.

what rock have you been living under?

1. Who links it to the gay rights movement? Aspies/auties have different issues to the LGBT community such as the fact that it is a form of disability rather than just a minority group. In a sense, the Autism Rights Movement exists as a specific subset of the Disability Rights Movement.

2. Why do you have such a problem with it? Don't you think autistic people have rights as well. As to your questions, yes to all of them.

Asmodeus, why not? I'm just plain pro-Neurodiversity. I happen to be an Aspie, but what I hope is that in gaining acceptance for ourselves, we'll be able to make it easier for others to do the same. I'd be glad (if baffled) to see an OCD pride movement.

It's not a matter of enforcement. You can't make a law that says "be nice" or "take precautions against your patients becoming institutionalized" (in the sense of learning to live in an institution so well they forget how to live outside it, not in the sense of being placed in one). If you make shock therapy illegal, they just go back to ammonia and spatulas. Make those illegal and they'll do something else. It's not the shock therapy itself that's the problem (it's a problem, but it's not essential to the issue that it be shock therapy, rather than intentionally inducing sensory overload); it's the fact that people see hurting people so badly they get PTSD as more acceptable than treating them like humans. I'll tell you what: if I were self-injuring, I'd rather not have it be replaced by somebody else injuring me, even if I were risking my life.

I think the OP probably read something a while back on a site (I forget which) that suggests similarities with gay rights and autism.

When it comes to groups involving rights of a particular group, I don't think it should be compared to another group however with all of this grouping up, what I do see in the future after hurdle jumping is the same snobby attitude the group was fighting against once they become accepted to some degree. I hope this movement doesn't become like that. I personally don't care much for being apart of groups but I do admire from a distance and nod in agreeance.

So Wrong Planet, neurodiversity please let's learn from the mistakes of the past and never become bullies. Venting about how frustrating it is and the s**t you get from others is A-okay but when you are feeling upset just think about all the people in your life who were good to you. There is always at least one person who cares.

As far as gay rights goes, you'll find alot of people who happen to be autistic that find it unjust that gays aren't allowed to marry. If you are standing up against haters then please try not to become a hater yourself.

No, that's actually not the main issue. The main issue is that autistic people (along with other disabled people, especially but not limited to people with developmental disabilities) are considered subhuman, soulless, empty shells, essentially objects that have been left behind after the "real child" has been stolen away, etc. In addition to being viewed as burdens on society and on those around us. And in addition to being viewed as having lower quality of life than nondisabled people. These common viewpoints ensure that it is easier for people to decide to kill us without feeling as many qualms about it, and also ensure that juries are less likely to convict our murderers of murder when murder happens.

I've actually studied a lot of these killings in depth (alongside Joel, who is the person who compiled the lists people were pointing at earlier). In many cases, the murderer was not even the person who was taking care of the child. By which I mean, the child was living with different relatives entirely, or living at a residential school, or something else of that nature. Then the murderer ends up going to some lengths to gain access to the autistic person, in order to kill them. Either taking them home (where they don't usually live), or going to wherever they are actually living and shooting them, or other things like that. And in many cases the actual caregivers were doing absolutely fine with the autistic person in question, and even said that they were no more trouble than nonautistic children they were also raising.

If my parents (who fortunately would never do this), were to travel 3000-odd miles to shoot me in the head, most people would still view it as an issue of lack of support for my parents, even though my parents have absolutely nothing to do with who takes care of me. Such things have happened more than people realize.

Dick Sobsey, a psychologist who has studied crimes against disabled people in a good deal of depth, has mentioned other situations that are important to take into account. In the UK, a man killed his disabled son, and everyone assumed it was because he had just snapped from taking care of him too long, and decided he was no danger to society. Then he went and killed his nondisabled son and only then did anyone actually notice or care that the man was a cold-blooded killer. Sobsey has also studied what happens when people (whether excusing things or just trying to explain them) publicly claim that the main issue in these murders is lack of support for caregivers. What then happens is the murder rate of disabled people goes up. Which wouldn't happen if that were really the main cause, it's not like saying such a thing results in less support for caregivers. (If you can get your hands on a copy, his book Violence and Abuse in the Lives of People with Disabilities: The End of Silent Acceptance? is extremely detailed and informative on this and other related topics.)

So basically, the main thread running through murders of autistic and other disabled people, isn't lack of support for caregivers (although lack of support for caregivers is always a problem), it's rather viewpoints that dehumanize us, make us seem like burdens, and tell people that we have no quality of life. That combination makes it easy both for people to kill us, and for other people to excuse the killings. This is generally hate (and sometimes hugely misplaced pity), not desperation.

As far as 'pride' (in the context of "seeing a positive way to view some aspect of oneself that is normally devalued", rather than the puffed up kind of pride) goes, I don't see what's wrong with it. No, it won't solve every problem in the world, but it doesn't have to. It solves different problems. And regarding bipolar and OCD, apparently you've never heard of the mad pride movement. Or disability pride. What you don't see a lot of, though, is this annoying habit autistic people sometimes have, of keeping all their stereotypes about disability, or psych labels, or other developmental disabilities, totally intact, and acting like autistic pride means distancing ourselves from every other disability community on the planet. I've always come at this stuff from the point of view of disability rights, and disability pride, and those kinds of things, so I find it baffling when autistic people think the autistic communities are anything other than a subset of disability communities. Like we're somehow special and different. We're not. I'm both autistic and physically disabled and have a psych history, so I see these things from several angles. (And that's not to mention lesbian and a bunch of other things.) It's easy for me to see the similarities because I'm one person who belongs in several of these categories, I know most of the prejudices they hold about each other are nonsensical. When I see these communities fighting with each other I feel like they want to rip me into pieces and tell me which pieces are okay and which I ought to be ashamed or self-pitying about. And I'm not okay with that.

There is a strong tendency to dehumanize the neurologically or psychologically different, so I don't see why Autistic Pride, which tries to reverse this tendency, to humanize autistics and emphasize their positive traits, is such a bad idea. There are of course lots of issues, not just demonization, surrounding autism and other disabilities, and it's unfortunate that so many people more affected by certain of these issues try to devalue the challenges faced by those in a different section of the autism community, the disability rights movement, what have you -- there are these squabbles both between groups and within them. People seem to fear that getting recognition and covering ground in one area will nullify their efforts in another (getting autistics recognized as healthy but different people, as other than invalids, might slow progress on the social support front, for instance.) In the short term, this may be true; the public right now doesn't seem willing to associate more than a few stereotypes with a given label, like "autism"; they can't yet maintain a complex image of it. Nevertheless, I think some political striving on the part of every neurodiverse community will be of benefit in the long run.

The LGBT's occasional hostility is no surprise; they're worried they'll lose the spotlight to some other minority. It's only fear, as far as I can tell. All of The's questions have been answered convincingly.

EDIT: I should add that the same quarreling happens within the LGBT community; lesbians, gays, bisexuals and transgendered/transexuals have, as groups, been at each other's throats before. I'm pretty sure the "B" and "T" parts had some trouble getting accepted by the "L" and "G."

actually yes two little autistic boys were killed by they're own mother because they wouldnt drink drain cleaner and she strangled them to death when asked why she responded "i just wanted normal children"
plus autistic pride has nothing to do with homosexuality they just so happen to have the word pride in them.
autistic pride is about feeling proud of all the benifits of having autism/aspergers