Autism Speaks: Turning Around vs PR Tactic

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Being Autistic hardly explains your heavily manipulative tactics on behalf of Autism Speaks, though it might, of course, explain your fixation on promoting them blindly.

I use too many words to get across what are simple facts, at times.

The simple fact is the Autism Speaks organization does positive things for some that are autistic.

You state that the organization does nothing positive for autistic people

Facts are available that prove that the organization does positive things for some people with Autism, as specifically, conclusively evidenced by 1.6 million dollars of aid to Autistic people that the organization provides

Therefore, your statement that the organization does nothing good for autistic people is false.

I speak for the facts and provide as many as possible from reliable third party sources as possible so people can form an opinion about the organization based on fact rather than just opinion. The only idea I promote in regard to the organization is to provide constructive criticism to potentially improve the lives of autistic people.

While that may be your idea of manipulation, I consider it an effort to provide facts and counter fallacious statements when I see obvious ones, with third party facts that refute them. I'm not sure how suggesting that people offer constructive criticism to the organization to improve the lives of autistic people is manipulation; If you can help me to understand how that is manipulative, please explain.

You do not do anything of the kind, you are more likely to claim that black is white and provide clips from the, notoriously inaccurate, popular press as frequently largely tangental, if not entirely invalid, premise to support that.

You also try to use fairly common (eg "other children enjoy this so why can't you") knee jerk techniques of implied peer approval and concensus - that anyone with half a clue would know were unlikely to have the slightest effect on autistic people by our very nature.

All the while twisting your own prior words and everybody else's to suit the argument of the moment.

I am convinced that you are a third rate PR contractor working on behalf of Autism Speaks...

You wouldn't be the first one.

I've done my best to answer every question you've asked me and provide clarification as necessary when you felt my sources or statements were inaccurate.

So far you've provided absolutely no concrete evidence that supports your assertion that Autism Speaks does nothing positive for Autistic people, while I have countered it with clear evidence that they do, as evidenced in the 1.6 million dollars of aid they provide to autistic people. Again, it's simple, can you answer the question, are the scholarships that autism provides to disadvantaged autistic youths to attend summer camps a positive action?. If you said yes, it would mean you admit that they do something good for at least one autistic person. Would it harm you to admit that?

inot and least you are stating it as your own personal opinion rather than fact this time. If you took the time to research my posts, you would find, I haven't spent my entire time here in the autism politics section, have learned more about the organization as I didn't know they even existed before I came here, and have had lengthy discussions with Ci, in support of the positive aspects of the ASAN organizations that I could see how it offers moral support for some on the Autism Spectrum. We didn't agree often, but found some middle ground.

Same convulated writing style, that has challenged me, all my life.

I find it interesting that you think that Autism Speaks would pay for someone to come here and try to influence opinion on a support website. Most everyone here, is here because they need support or want to offer others support.

I have seen where replies to emails from the organization have been presented here, that are always presented in a respectful, sincere, manner to attempt to provide an answer to the questions asked.

You really think an organization that is that huge cares about what 4 or 5 of the same people are talking about, over and over and over again, in an obscure forum on the internet, and they would be willing to pay for someone to take part in it. I'm not seeing that as a realistic scenario, but that's just my opinion.

I am not interesting in your convoluted writing style - I have seen it before, what concerns me is the intensely manipulative aspect.

When you insist that autism Speaks does nothing positive for Autistic people, when there are clear facts presented that they do, even if you insist that the scholarships for Autistic children are wholly negative, they still are providing 1.5 million dollars in additional aid for autistic people.

If you continue to insist that the organization, does nothing positive for Autistic people as a categorical statement, after presented the evidence that the organization provides 1.5 million dollars to aid Autistic people, that is a manipulation of the facts on your part to misrespresent what the organization is actually doing.

Again it's not fair to those that receive the positive benefits from the organization. You attempted to speak for children that attend Summer Camps for Autism, that the experience is a negative one, without regard to those that benefit from the experience, and can go, because Autism Speaks makes the funding available.

That's your opinion, but I don't agree that some autistic children don't have the ability to benefit from Summer Camp, there is third party evidence that refutes your view here as well, that indicates Summer camp as a valuable opportunity to learn social skills as well as enjoy the fun activities of the camp. Again it's probably not something that many autistic children benefit from, but some certainly do.

You won't manipulate me that way, either.

I'm not trying to manipulate you, I'm not the only one that agrees with the opinion that summer camp designed for autistic children can be a beneficial experience for the children that want to go. Autistic children aren't all the same, some can and do enjoy this type of social experience and look forward to it. Do you really discount that fact?

Like ANYBODY is going to turn around and say:

"Fair cop...I was, indeed trying to manipulate you"

PS I am a sure a few NT kids would find a way to enjoy being sent down south to pick cotton, but that doesn't mean sending them there is something *positive* an organisation would be doing *for* them...

...as yet another of aghogdays ravening hordes of straw men bite the dust...

Here is more information about the camps; in the provided link individual descriptions are provided from the websites of each camp.

You are welcome to look through the information for each camp, for an informed, objective opinion on the potential benefits for autistic people in each of the camps. It is obvious that much care has been taken from the committee that chooses these camps for Autistic children, to ensure the best opportunity for a postive benefit for each autistic child that participates. These type of opportunities, provide positive benefits for some autistic children.

If you don't care to look at the objective facts, they are here for others to see.


http://www.autismspeaks.org/family-services/grants/baker-summer-camp-program/baker-summer-camp-grants-2010

All TV Advertising consists in a company telling you how great it'[s products are, which is why it is not considered to be accurate, unbiased information.

Autism Speaks telling you how positive and great it's miniscule program is is no more valid of it's nature...

Links to 51 camps, many of which are staffed by volunteer personnel are listed in the link to the webpage. I would be pleasantly surprised if you could reason some merit within the organization, I don't give up hope when I see intelligence, but I understand how confining the parameters of emotion can be.

Autistic children do attend Summer camps, that are tailored to their needs, if there are any parents that view this thread or families and friends of autistic people, that happen to be near one of the 51 camps, the information might be valuable to them in getting their children involved in a potential beneficial experience, the next opportunity that comes around.

It makes it worthwhile to me, to provide the information, only if it helps one autistic child to gain a beneficial experience in life.

I think as time goes on as the organization Autism Speaks gets older and hears from more parents and they as they may revise their perceptions, evolve them and or simply change them and even those whom founded it as their children age but also self-advocates it's focuses might further diversify more. I'd hope while doing so like other non-profits with good intentions that their reach within communities will grow and private funding would improve to help benefit quality of life and outcomes. Yet I myself personally would never like to see an organization submit to demands of people who see negativity always when none was intended or a portrayal was really about helping and see autism as the disability. It's best I think to model advocacy where and when possible for the most diverse existence of opinion and research is a difficult one based on some of the ideological disputes.

I think it would ruin better potentials based on what I've seen of some if leadership tactics at times promoting extreme adversity instead of civil social alliance potentials with the world around people with autism. It's not to say they don't or won't have an effect it's just that the styles at times appear to be universally alienating to the point the PR requires something akin to miracle surgery metaphorically. Like for instance abortion politics merged with demands for more social service funding which is a tricky deli-ma.

I am developing a mailing list with someone to goto all of the autism related or somewhat related organizations in the United States about a community inclusion model I came up with. It's quite simple. Yet I believe spending $500 on a mailing with hand written envelopes is worth the money.

Frankly, I very much doubt if you would know what intelligence was if it jumped up and bit you - while clearly labelled...for you it is just another word to be used to manipulate people towards the party line.

You do not seriously expect me to respond with:

"Oh, I must be gullable and support Autism Speaks so aghogday will think I am intelligent" do you?



Your last try was to assert that refusal to submit to Autism Speaks constituted immaturity...or was that ci?

I don't propose that you join them. I myself am not a member. However I see little reason in inventing into the organization simply because i'd like the funding they receive or that they focus on what I might not agree with personally. Obviously many people support them to increase research and I don't think it's neither against the law or in popular ethics unethical. You should create an organization of your own and focus on what you want to focus on. Autism Speaks is not going to pay you to change your mind no matter how many times compensation is asked.

I'm not suggesting you support any organization. In general when one refuses to accept fact they are controlled by emotion rather than reason. I don't know what your motivation is not to accept fact here on a public forum; I can only guess, from research of your previous opinions.

There have been normally reasonable people here with what seems like a high level of intelligence that express unreasonable positions, like the world will not be a safe place to live until there is not a single muslim left on the face of the earth. They contend it is a rational statement, with no apparent awareness that it meets no logical standard.

Obviously, in that case general hatred for a whole category exists with no acceptance that a gray area exists.

You suggest the same type of statement for Autism Speaks in that the organization does nothing positive for Autistic people. You express hatred for the organization as a whole and do not recognize the objective positive benefits that some receive from the existence of the organization, instead insisting that they don't exist.

No one could convince the individual that the world wouldn't be a safe place until all Muslims were gone from the face of the earth, although he was obviously an extremely intelligent individual, full of knowledge in many areas of life.

It seems that you have a great deal of intelligence too; if that person, that is probably one of the most intelligent individuals on the site, won't change his opinion on something like that, I certainly wouldn't expect you too either in an area as small as what a charitable organization does or does not do.

However, I pointed out and presented evidence to the other individual the categorical statement as fact, was fallacious, and do the same here for the benefit of others, that might be misled, drifting through.

The comment in regard to maturity, was the level of maturity shown by the young man that came to understand that the ideology of autism supremacy wasn't helping his life, from participating in a reasonable discussion about the issue here. He displayed a level of flexibility in mental muscle.

I am as subject to this impairment, as anyone else here. It is part of what the psychologists understand as the disorder of Autism. Black and White, rigid ways of thinking. The difficulties in seeing the gray areas of life.

By refusing to ignore your repeated comments that I see as a fallacious statement that autism speaks does nothing positive for Autistic people, I too am guilty of a rigid style of thinking.

In this area I suggest I'm more like you than you know, and you are more like me than I know. That's a good reason why neither of us are going to be able to run a multimillion dollar charity, that requires an expertise in the gray areas of life. It's not likely that the individual that made the muslim comment would be able to do it either, but it didn't stop the individual from exceling in other areas in life.

As I remember too, you are already made a similar comment about the folks that run ASAN; somewhere along the lines that their limitations should be understood by the inherent difficulties associated with their impairments related to Autism.

If I may, further evidence that seems to be supported by you, that it's not likely that Autistic people are going to successfully manage large multimillion dollar organizations to raise money for autistic people.

We rely on people that don't have Autism for that, it seems an enivitable part of reality to me. It doesn't mean we can't be part of the effort though.

Small ones that Autistic people run are great, but they alone are not likely to meet the fundraising needs autistic people in the future.