The autism spectrum is a partial lie

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That is definintly an over simplication, so I agree there.....but I do not think the current definition is to blame I think its people who ignore the actual definition and the existance of other mental disorders that might also be present and be making things appear more severe.

There is a spectrum to a point-I am at the *light* end of it.

Thankfully after an hour of trying to get on this site and it going to an error page I can now reply.

I'm not sure why you interpreting the philosophical remarks of human nature and it's conditions personally. Every human has the potential of violence as a form of instinct or he or she is potentially not healthy. For example as a form of protectionism relevant to instinct one might oblige being attacked with a baseball bat with grabbing a sledge hammer. Likewise human nature can be war-like and so healthy humans are deemed able to defend their country by committing violence.

As far as violence and autism let's take something into consideration. For an individual who cannot communicate his or her need who then attempts to communicate by hitting him or herself or even a support person what affliction do they suffer from? Does autism in more severe forms with it's inability to communicate necessarily create violence? No but it may increase the chances due to the inability to communicate where applicable as a form of communication in of itself perhaps. The idea that a mental illness or said as behavioral disorder can co-exist with autism and may not exist without autism in an individual as an original form of causation formulating that behaviour seems relevant.

Konrad Lorenz has a healthy take on the application of agression. Think his work still stands after half a century. Violence is only a useful strategy in some situations. It is counterproductive in situations where one group of people not physically opressed at gunpoint, are persuing civil rights ,especially a group where the specific issue is exclusion due to a lack of social skills or ( to a degree) an innate capacity to aquire them.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konrad_Lorenz

Lorenz is also an interesting example of a humane person caught up in idealism and seeing first-hand the horrors
of applied concepts of supremicism unfold . His writings are an attempt to understand this process and counteract it. Been there,seen that, this is totally dumb , do this instead. He got a Nobel prize in 1973, and there are a load of institutes named after him.

A fascinating man. Tell me though why do you bring him up and the notion of this superiority politic here and now?

Look, I don't know why you are talking about violence when I obviously did not initiate any argument on it. You're going off on a tangent.

What you just said there was exactly what you thought I had said earlier. It's clear that what you have thought is colouring your reaction. What I want is for you to open up your mind for a second: I don't think it's because people don't have a clue about the definition. People can't have a clue about an awful mess of a description. Currently people are defining it as a spectrum because they are defining it by worsening or improving symptoms. They are not defining the problem by its causes and I am saying that the worst cases are due to mental disorders that are discrete from what I am.

I don't think so. I just think you don't suffer from any closely related neurological disorders.

"...violent kind and autism they are somehow treating a more severe form of autism, and not an autistic with a psychosis."

Directly relevant and not a tangent. I've made several remarks about why violence might manifest in more severe cases of autism when communication disabilities are more profound. It is based on basic principles of behaviorism.

Symptoms are based on general similarities. There is no proof it is originating from the same causation universally within what is considered an autism spectrum. I would agree that there certainly is a potential that ASD's are in of themselves differing neurological and or developmental differences with similarities but not the same reasons as to why the symptoms manifest stemming from the brains innate configuration relevant to the environment and or other factors in relation to it. A spectrum however is clinically defining general similarities diagnostically.

I am not exactly sure how someone jumps from talking about psychosis to saying they don't like agression.

Thankyou. it isn't originating from the same cause. Personally I think there are seperate disorders that people have including autism when at the lower spectrum. I believe the reliance that people have on low-functioning autism being a worse form of high-functioning autism is unlikely and incorrect and dangerous.

Define "We". It's a neurological condition. people on the spectrum talk about differnt ways to find a solution then psychologists because.... we think differntly. We process information differntly. This much i'm sure we all know. How many times have you had to re-explain how you did something to a bewildered family member who just can't get it? it's not because your smart, its because you thought of a way they simply can't comprehend, or atleast they can't comprehend your process. Differnt ways to finding a solution is called trial an error. It's certinly better then trying 1 thing and only 1 thing, and a crap ton better then trying nothing at all.



because, reguardless of them being envirementally influenced or not, the majority of us have them. Here is a hint. If the vast majority has the same problems, then it doesnt matter if it is or is not part of the classification, it simply is an issue that must be addressed in both talking about a solution and the possibility of a corelation. I will agree the spectrum is a joke. It's based primarily on IQ tests. The same IQ tests given by psychologists who have yet find any real solutions to our problems. Lets not forget it was deisgned for people who think normally.



In my expierence pills and shock therapy solve very little. You being able to solve night terrors by rationalizing with yourself i find rather unlikely. being able to calm yourself down when your pissed....Thats not exactly new news here.



Ok, what do you want to call it? The autistic rainbow? Sounds a bit gay to me. My gay aspergers friend would love it though. I agree the way they measure and classify us on the autistic spectrum is wrong, i do not think the classifications are that bad, only the definitions and the lack of proper placement. I don't really see how a low functioning and high funtioning autistic person is differnt, other then the rate he is overstimulated. I'm not 13 anymore, and i do not care either way about labels.



Because they already have solid ways of helping people with dyslexia, they dont have dick for austim




Yes, because parents want to treat their kids like dirt (sarcasm). alot of parents are desperate. There are not any known cures. Despite this they are trying anything and everything to solve it.



I haven't many a single autistic that told the docter "hey doc jsut tell me in general what do i got?".Everyone i know has gotten several diagonises

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Excuse me, but could you sort out this mess? I can barely understand which argument is where.

Edit: I removed the crap. The coding was atrocious.

Also it shows you have not gotte a clue of what I was talking about by replacing spectrum with rainbow, which is just a natural phenomenon showing a spectrum of light. :/

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I was more thinking about this violence thing. Definitely a no brainer startegy in most social situations. Lorenz explains why
violence doesn't work to create solutions to most problems. Certainly not of any use in our situation and would be counterproductive. Violence and supremicism generally go hand in hand and was given as an example and a road not to even consider going down. I do not wish to live in a global version of Cambodia/Serbia when they went nuts ,and I don't think anyone else really does either. It helps to understand why they went nuts when discussing violence.

Meme.

Look, I don't know where this thread is going. What I do know is that if someone is diagnosed with an ASD by a healthcare professional, chances are are that they'll also get diagnosed with a second psychiatric disorder different from the ASD. It's called co-morbidity, and it happens pretty often.