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Do you think people on the spectrum should have their own country?
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28 Jul 2011, 9:26 pm

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It's fine to dream and fantasize, but I think that it will not happen, at least not any time soon.
Plus, I doubt it would be practical.


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29 Jul 2011, 12:32 am

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Autistics have been discriminated against for so long that if we started our own country we would have neurotypicals behaving just like the Palestinians and declaring that we are a racist state and the neurotypicals would insist on taking over our country so they could continue their oppression. Neurotypicals would declare that autistics have no right to any land because neurotypicals occupied the land first. Even though an autistic state might be small in comparison with the combined land masses of all the neurotypical states nevertheless the neurotypical will still demand all of the worlds entire land mass.

Autistics who want a state will have to overcome all of the guilt trips that neurotypicals will use against us and realize that neurotypicals want the destruction of our state.


Well for one Autistic is not a race, its a mental condition(more positive then negative for some). But in general I don't think we need our own country......I don't hate all neurotypicals after all.



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29 Jul 2011, 2:28 am

Well Jews are not really a race but they are rather a religion but their enemies nevertheless call them a racist state for simply wanting their own country. And yes most Jews do not hate all of the Germans but Jews soon realized they needed their own country after the Germans tried to exterminate them.



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29 Jul 2011, 2:36 am

Anyway there is a lot of uninhabitated land in the polar regions of the Earth that neurotypicals do not want. When runaway global warming takes its toll this land will become prime real estate.



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29 Jul 2011, 3:15 pm

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Well Jews are not really a race but they are rather a religion but their enemies nevertheless call them a racist state for simply wanting their own country. And yes most Jews do not hate all of the Germans but Jews soon realized they needed their own country after the Germans tried to exterminate them.


I call Israel a theocracy and I do not suppor theocracies or countries where only one group of people is welcome. its just as bad as the germans wanting to have a german only race or whatever.



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29 Jul 2011, 8:52 pm

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Aspergia or Aspergerstan

Those are great! Buuuuuut, I think Aspiopolis has a great ring to it :wink:

I think this is the type of thing that looks good on (virtual) paper, but kinda falls apart going from theory to practice :? But it's something to think about :D

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29 Jul 2011, 9:36 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Well Jews are not really a race but they are rather a religion but their enemies nevertheless call them a racist state for simply wanting their own country. And yes most Jews do not hate all of the Germans but Jews soon realized they needed their own country after the Germans tried to exterminate them.


I call Israel a theocracy and I do not suppor theocracies or countries where only one group of people is welcome. its just as bad as the germans wanting to have a german only race or whatever.


There are Christians in Israel.


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30 Jul 2011, 12:49 am

greengeek wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Well Jews are not really a race but they are rather a religion but their enemies nevertheless call them a racist state for simply wanting their own country. And yes most Jews do not hate all of the Germans but Jews soon realized they needed their own country after the Germans tried to exterminate them.


I call Israel a theocracy and I do not suppor theocracies or countries where only one group of people is welcome. its just as bad as the germans wanting to have a german only race or whatever.


There are Christians in Israel.

I never said there weren't.



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30 Jul 2011, 12:42 pm

How many of these discussions have we had again?


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31 Jul 2011, 8:57 am

Hmm, frankly I think that something like this would be more trouble than it's worth.
Put aside the imminent, and most probably negative, reaction from NTs. How would a government of aspies function?
Now, I'm not insinuating that we're less capable than NTs. HFAs and aspies can function just as well in daily life. But the process of governing a country is something that inherently requires a lot of social work. Something that aspies generally try to avoid, and what's the point of an aspie country if it's governed by NTs? Plus, we can't deny that there are just some things that NTs can do better than us.
An Aspie country would greatly increase support for its Aspie citizens, yes. But Aspies are just as varied, if not more, as NTs. Something like a majority Aspie population would be like treading on thin ice. Being fellow Aspies does not guarantee instand friendship, or understanding. Maybe it would even cause more clashes. 'Autism' and 'Aspergers' is a very broad classification, after all. Not all of us are similar to each other. We have different personalities, different obsessions, different perceptions.
But, hey. This is just my two cents on the issue.



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01 Aug 2011, 9:26 pm

I could imagine the various government rooms would have computer terminals in them for communication even in the same room, so that they don't have to communicate verbally to each other. I would not be surprised that the country would probably be very permissive, as some of the special interests of Aspies are either illegal or borderline illegal in most countries and regional unions. Also another reason why the country would probably be very permissive, as Aspies have hard time getting a lover but want to do things that lovers do, but the solution to that is illegal in most areas of the world.


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02 Aug 2011, 11:43 am

so what do you do with the NT children who are born there?

if they stay, in a few generations the AS immigrants will become a minority again.
if they are raised to appreciate & support AS culture, then this effort might better be made in the original countries, where the original social discrimination will only have been eluded, not diminished.
i actually think this makes more sense as a subculture. subcultures can have considerable departures from the surrounding norms, & also wield influence beyond their numbers by the glamour of being different. i often think of Rastafarians as the ideal subculture, & model for others. they have their own look, slang, food, religion, rituals & music. people imitate them & appreciate their ways who not only don't believe in Haile Selassie as a prophet, they haven't even heard of him.



PS ever heard of CyberYugoslavia?


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03 Aug 2011, 2:16 am

I like the OP's idea as to the land area, but put the capital in Dover, DE, instead. If that won't work, Philadelphia can suffice, as it was the national capital of the U.S. before Washington, D.C., was built.

Type of government: Technocracy with a strong libertarian bent. Among the policies we'd have, there'd be:
--No income or payroll taxes. Sales taxes from the free market will fund the legitimate costs of government.
--All welfare programs would be privatized. Instead of keeping people dependent on the state's golden teat, we'd bring about an Aspie population that doesn't need welfare. (Combined with the national sales tax, as there'd be a monthly rebate on all poverty-level spending.)
--Drugs would be legal, taxed, and the quality and dosages regulated so nobody dies from contamination or overdose.
--Marriage would be abolished. No two people, gay or straight, should have to have a piece of paper saying that they're together.
--All law-abiding citizens would be required to carry firearms and be trained in their safety and use. It would reduce crime sharply (Only a complete idiot would try to rob, rape, or murder someone who's armed) and ensure that the whole nation is ready to take action at a moment's notice, whether it's against an external or internal threat.
--Prostitution would be legal, just like in Holland.
--Censorship of all media would be illegal except for CP. Just like in the U.S., even speech the majority deems wrong would be permitted, because if you silence people who say those things, you're no better than they are.
--Murderers, sex criminals, and war criminals would get the death penalty by guillotine (The guillotine is far more humane than modern forms of execution in terms of speed and accuracy of death), then all records of their existence erased. Thieves and con men would spend time in jail, pay a fine equal to the value of the stolen property, or both. The punishment fits the crime, after all.
--Green energy sources would be used, cutting down our dependence on coal and oil.



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03 Aug 2011, 2:48 am

Interesting idea, however I have three main problems with it.
1. An Aspergers or Autistic controlled state would soon collapse as most people on the Autistic spectrum are not suited to any major role in a primary or productive economy (farming, mining or manufacturing). This is not to say we are incompetent, it just tosay that sensory issues and other inconvenient behavioural patterns ensure that we are best of maintaining our attachment to the positive aspects of NT society.

2. All the comparisions to Israel, Autism is closer to a "race" than Judaism as there are links to genetics causing Autism. Judaism, Christianity, Islam and all other religions are more concious decisions to follow said religions
(I am a practising Roman Catholic), I do not remember deciding "oh yes I will be Autistic from now on."

3. There seems to be a lot of people claiming that North America is a prime location for any Autistic state, however the U.S.A. seems to house the vast majority of our persecuters (Autism speaks etc.) closely followed by the U.K. (not entirely sure as I only follow english news services (language not nation), surely Australia would be a better location, we would have large ammounts of natural resources, the local population is largely tolerant so problems with them would be unlikely and plenty of space for those who would prefer isolation.



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03 Aug 2011, 4:42 am

Blasterx343 wrote:
All the comparisions to Israel, Autism is closer to a "race" than Judaism as there are links to genetics causing Autism.

Jews are a race, that is why they are referred to as an ethno-religious group.



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03 Aug 2011, 3:04 pm

Burzum wrote:
Blasterx343 wrote:
All the comparisions to Israel, Autism is closer to a "race" than Judaism as there are links to genetics causing Autism.

Jews are a race, that is why they are referred to as an ethno-religious group.

Jews are not a race. People can and have converted to and from Judaism.

It's like calling Hispanics a race when they only share a language and culture. Anyone of any "race" can be Hispanic.