Hiding The Truth For Popular Political Appeal

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Pride protesters. They seem to be the only anti-awareness group in autism advocacy. Imperfect like all humans. I believe there bias is more about their own self-image then helping people. Hiding the truths of others for other issues like abortion and pride.

Self-centered..

Self-centred? Who is self-centred? Also who are pride protestors? No group call themselves pride protestors in regard to us. If you mean like gay pride then saying they are anti-awareness seems laughable. Gay pride has basically presented homosexuality to the public at large and cleared up all sorts of misly beliefs. Also what about self-image do you talk? For all that you say there aren't any pride groups coming on here making random and unproven accusations about other people constantly who don't believe what they do.
As for helping people I don't know how not proving what bad things you say about others could be helping people. It could mean you're just attacking someone who actually means a lot of good for others. I also checked up on that apparent search about curebies and curebees and other such things apparently being in the millions on google. The highest score I got was 11,300 for 'curebie'.

Look. You know the subject has absolutely nothing to do with gay pride. Yet incite I am speaking about that. We know who pride protesters are in context to Autism. That's the ASAN group and their allies. I can agree with some of it but the idea of demands that have been made and seeking not to view autism certain ways for the sake of ones image over that of treatment advancements seems like some leaders are already getting paid off by maybe the insurance companies or given special favors by bought off politicians. Well it's possible but bottom line if it's about the dignity of a disorder label over that of the quality of lives of individuals it is self-centered and selfish.

I'd love to debate them folks and beyond this forum place. How about pre-recorded YouTube with a license agreement for distribution rights. I'm ready.

No I didn't incite anything. I just said that I was talking about people in an autism group that are like those in a gay pride movement because I don't know any autism pride movements.

Allies who?

Really? Do you actually have any proof of such corruption? Also what do you mean by insurance companies? Why would that happen?

Can you actually prove any of this? If I don't have any proof then how can I believe any of what you said?

No I didn't incite anything. I just said that I was talking about people in an autism group that are like those in a gay pride movement because I don't know any autism pride movements.at you said?[/quote]

You'd make a good lawyer. Regrettably they are not popular. They can look fact right in the face and try to make it disappear. Fact is quite clear in this matter.

Allies who?

Ask the Ari who he is talking about when he says the allies he has. Acting like something is not there when it is only attempts to alter the obvious transparency.

Really? Do you actually have any proof of such corruption? Also what do you mean by insurance companies? Why would that happen?

I said it is possible and did not say it is fact. Insurance companies in the big picture do not want to view autism as serious. I can say it is serious unlike people like Ari who otherwise lead quite normal lives. I wish to articulate the ethics in the big picture over that of agenda's that are only about self-image of the very high functioning.

Can you actually prove any of this? If I don't have any proof then how can I believe any of what you said?

I said if. Far to much conflict over simple words whereas some view the label as the impairment and others view it as akin to the entire being. Frankly online forum chat is not as productive as I would like. To me these issues need be resolved quite soon in my opinion as their are much bigger fish to fry. The time these disputes have taken and the issues they conveniently effect need to be resolved.

Are you saying that I am lying to you? I was trying to say are you talking about people who are like those in a gay pride movement but are just autistic instead? I said this because I don't recognise an autism pride group.


So ari is lying? What proof do you have of this?


Well you're going to have to prove that it is. It is unfair that you should say nasty things about people which aren't fact.


Why do they not?

Do you know how Ari deals with everything in his life or how his problems are patently different to yours?

First, like who? Second, do you have proof of these agendas? It just seems unfair because according to you in the past I count I think among those high functioning. You're saying all these people are somehow trying to put issues in the way. I want to know exactly what proof you have because it is not only unfair to just say people are doing things wrong, it could also be talking about me.

We can agree on the second sentence. The problem is that I want to actually know what instances you have of people doing things wrong. You can't just speculate on what people are doing wrong and expect not to have any sort of proof even if it was only an 'if' statement.

It takes a very long time to pick apart quoted posts. All I can say is the following.

1. ASAN has accused others of horrible things.

2. I speak of matters that have been in the media.

3. Not everyone diagnosed with Asperger's needs supports which ASAN demands.

4. No one deserves supports just for accusing the American public of things.

Seems to just about wrap up my points and approach here. Ari needs to answer to advocates in which his organization implies in title he will cater to as to why they will not cater to the real diversity of self-advocates. I believe their approaches to be reckless, damaging and lacking respect for others and including people with autism.

Commonly politicians will appoint controversial figures to settle them and their followers down. It does not mean others have to agree with them or that they agree with him as elected figures. Ari was not democratically elected yet behaves as if he has that kind of clout with us self-advocates whose voices have been smothered by hard knock tactics and polar extremes. For example with what I do with the public I achieve quite allot of awareness and friendly relations by just being nice. He ought to consider the same kind of strategy rather then making the rest of us advocates look like arses.

I make time for it.


Where? I only agree with accusations where I have proof.


Where? I will accept when I see it.


Where does it demand it? Also how much do I know that this is true when all people say is nasty things about asan?


Where did they accuse the american public? Also how does accusing a society of something make it less valid?


I want proof before you start claiming people are wrong or evil or doing something fallible.

Well what aspects of it are reckless, damaging or lacking respect for others? All the aspects you have said so far aren't any of these things because I have said you don't seem to be producting any proof or whatever you are saying they are doing is wrong doesn't actually count as wrong.


What does this have to do with ASAN?

Where if you can make this assertion, do you have any proof of what he said?

Again, what proof?

It's like a broken record player. Asking the same questions and getting the same answers. Research ASAN online on YouTube.

I am sorry but your approach hasn't changed and you haven't aswered my questions. So what is wrong with restating them? What right do I have to be referred to as a broken record player? Also don't get stuffy that I am asking for proof of your ideas. I don't believe bad things until I have proof. Innocent until proven guilty.

I asked you to look things up for yourself. Your defending an organization that is guilty as I put across. If you cannot do it and refuse to that does not make facts different. Other then opinion which we both have facts are what they are.

See video link here

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp3997709.html#3997709

I will defend any organisation from accusations that people make against it if they have no proof of it. I have asked many times for proof of many things. Continuing to ask isn't wrong. Also why should you expect others to find out whether you are right or not?

Thanks, I will now see if what you say is correct.

You should know everything about an organization before you defend it. But unlike me your not going on the public record with it. I am on the record.

No I am sorry but you should defend someone if you feel no one has a right to attack it. You don't need to know someone's marital status to defend them against larceny. Same rule applies with organisations. Second I wasn't defending it for most of the time. I was asking for proof that you were right. Also I have seen that video and I see them indeed saying eugenics and all the other stuff you disagree with. But just because they say eugenics doesn't mean they are wrong. Can you actually prove why what they are saying is wrong or is a lie? Otherwise I can't be annoyed at them.

The issues are fairly clear. Abortion, demands for money and demands to view autism certain ways only. Everyone has choices to view things as they wish and can put their own money wherever they want. We live in a democracy and folks pay taxes to help myself and others. I am not really into the same issues as ASAN.

the politics of autism needs what mainstream politics has.sarah palin,someone who doesnt know there talking about but at least can make a mockery of traditional politics.pride protesters,term officialy coined.what is a pride protester anyway,someone who does a sit in outside autism speaks headquarters.i think im gonna to the special ed class at brattleboro high school and burn my drivers license