Autism Votes?

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I am not mentioning them here.

why not

Will not market them indirectly. Although I agree with some of the anti-confinement and institutional stuff.

i looked some up and didnt find much.most are simply anti cure and not anti services.services is what you advocate for isnt it.im not into the asan either but i fail to see how they harm your agenda

List them. All of them.

there are a few besides the asan that i googled.aspergianpride was one another had a name similar to the asan,that was all i could find

There are none.

You remind me of Joseph McCarthy, giving a press conference, waving a piece of paper in the air and saying, "I have here in my hand the names of..."

The number varied from press conference to press conference.

He was responsible for great evil.

i will say that there is evidence of a paper trail of an autistic pride movement because "autistic pride movement" is identified on wikipedia.

evasive maybe,but i would not compare ci with mccarthy.that is not a fair critizism

I wish I felt otherwise, vermontsavant, but that is what I am reminded of.

I'm going to take a break for a few days from this forum. I hate the way it makes me feel.

dont blame ya,i was banned from this forum for 4 hours earlier

It does make you feel icky after a while, like looking at congealed fat at the bottom of a sewer and no matter how much you ram an iron rod in to it there it doesn't seem to budge.

I think that is a really good idea Alan, and I might join you in that. I have watched you get sucked into all this the past couple of days (as I was for a while myself) ...and it isn't discussion, it is just ongoing, competitive, headwreck for the sake of it.

You made the claim, now provide the link.

i did look it up.there is a small paper trail of indication that there is a pride movement.wikipedia has a defination of pride movement.but outside of the asan there are only a small few organized groups

Do the research. I'm not mentioning the organization(s). Autism pride began with the anti-cure movement. I was there talking to the people online who began it and the founder in private chat. I know a great deal about it. The constant methods are to blend identity with a disorder label and find offence over the smallest things to prevent "eugenics". It started in the U.K then spread to the United States.

Debating me you would have to have an extremely in-depth knowledge of it. Even AlanTurning in his pride makes remarks about selective genetics in the gene pool about sperm donations. That's a good context to his pride politics and is not about simply having overcome in life. It's a emotional political life force in orgin with certain agenda's and whose agenda's will interfere with whatever may indirectly effect other agenda's. Compassion (they call pity) makes autism look inferior and they want to explain the inferior at times as the cobrid conditions.

I'd have to ask you to prove me wrong because I know so much about it and every-time I speak about it they find ways to attack my organization which is about inclusion opportunity because they fear what I say. Even the idea of compassion with inclusion can be seen as a threat to them that to reflect on the image of autism wrongly to some is a threat to prides agenda.

I ask for a real debate about these issues on YouTube with prior contract to redistribute. Other then that I've spent to much time in these issues. I have a job to be working on and cannot switch interest to easy.

Personally I have no pride in what holds me back but am proud of simply accepting I have a disability and overcoming in my own way. I do not need to redefine a disorder label to overcome. If people say bad things about autism that to me represents the barriers and I do not often take it personally unless someone was to call me autistic which is dehumanizing as I am not a label I am a human. Most people mean well by it though.