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07 Nov 2011, 2:29 am

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I see, a propaganda buyer.

You are with the Eugenics Movement. They change names and faces, but the game never changes.

The tactics never change, Autism Speaks videos were a direct takeoff of Lives Not Worth Living.

Autism is a front, a word without meaning, which came to be a catchall for ret*d, Birth Defects, Mutes, ASDs, and seeking a Genetic Cure for eradicating this Autism Epidemic, is the same old same old.

Autism does have a meaning, or did, before it was highjacked by the eugenics group. There has been strong objection and denial when autistic people spoke out.

Geek Syndrome, Engineers Disease, came from functional autistics.

Asperger's, HFA. were rejected by Autism Speaks as not being real autistics. They did not go away, got stronger, and now they are trying to use them.

Genetic study did not pan out, no simple test leading to abortion.

So what to do? Following one of Tamborine-Mans stories to Autism Speaks, I see where they have done what I had said was the dumbest thing possible, half in jest.

Nope, they did it, turned over the largest "Autistic" DNA Data Base ever gathered to China. China if you have read history is a Communist Country, where the Government and Army are One. Part of that Army is the Scientists of the Bioweapons Division, who were given the fuzzy edge of the Round Eyed White Devils DNA. Yes, they want to help eradicate Autism.

The only thing in their way is a half billion Round Eyes. They work night and day on a Cure for Autism.

The Black Death struck Europe, nowhere else. The 1918 Flu killed 50,000,000 Europeans. Both of them likely came from China, who had an immunity.

Now giving the Chinese the DNA, they could do several things, give the Eugenics Movement the tools they are seeking, Or they could find the key to producing autism in all Western children, or, develop a Virus that killed most Europeans.

Europeans are scattered and have many languages and governments, China has one Government, one written language, and the largest population on earth.

We have always had the Eugenics Movement, just as China has had a program of getting rid of the non Chinese.

That one would give our DNA to the other, is the largest single act of Treason of all time.

We are coming into a new era, we do not need workers. Since ex workers can vote, up to changing the form of government, demanding that access to this market is taxed, and income, to the extent to support an unemployed population, what if they had an accident, a fast acting Virus, like 1918, where people under 25 went from perfect health to dead in twelve hours?

Eugenics is not just about ret*ds any longer. It is about Useless Mouths that eat but do not produce. It is about university students that there will be no jobs for, at least in this country.

The returning troops join with their age group, Corporate America does not want them, nor does the Government. Unemployed, poor, they gather in the streets. They are the future, and us old folks support them. Our views on Government, Banks, Brokers, Corporations, are at an all time low.

A Corporate Eugenics Movement that rose from nowhere very recently, very tied in with Government, working with The People's Liberation Army?

I am sure there is nothing to worry about. Like Obama said before the market crash, it was all legal, no one did anything wrong, and you can't prove it. Besides that, you are all dead.

Lots of tenuous links Inventor, and with each one it becomes a less likely tale. The Chinese need the west for one so it makes no sense to me.
Also..Eugenics? Wheres evidence of that. Or would you suggest we suppress knowledge just in case it could be misused for Eugenics?



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07 Nov 2011, 8:24 am

i hope my posts this didnt give the impression im pro autism speaks.im just pro the feelings of female aspies on this forum.i will never sapport autism speaks.im also not a huge asan fan either.honestly i think autism advocacy need a radical overhaul.honestly aspie48 i think for your age your remarkably thougtfull and maybe someday you can be a part of that overhaul


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07 Nov 2011, 8:44 am

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If a scientist wants to eliminate autism, well, they are welcome to try. It isn't going to happen.

Your argument from incedulity is disturbing and doesn't reveal anything about what you actually feel. You are simply dissuading people by saying that it is difficult. THat is not a conclusion at all. This isn't even optimism. It's ignorance of fact.



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07 Nov 2011, 9:17 am

It might be interesting to do a poll on who supports or favors Autism Speaks, the impression that I get on this forum is that most people are still against them.



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07 Nov 2011, 9:28 am

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It might be interesting to do a poll on who supports or favors Autism Speaks, the impression that I get on this forum is that most people are still against them.

Against? more like suspicious.



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07 Nov 2011, 9:42 am

@inventor The issue with china was not even on my radar. It seems like every time I look autism speaks just does something else evil.



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07 Nov 2011, 11:16 am

Gedrene wrote:
Tambourine-Man wrote:
If a scientist wants to eliminate autism, well, they are welcome to try. It isn't going to happen.

Your argument from incedulity is disturbing and doesn't reveal anything about what you actually feel. You are simply dissuading people by saying that it is difficult. THat is not a conclusion at all. This isn't even optimism. It's ignorance of fact.


Let me clarify. I am very opposed to a prenatal test for autism. I'm not pleased with the idea at all.

However, I'm not fearful that a prenatal test will be developed any time soon for the reasons I listed above.


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07 Nov 2011, 11:33 am

Tambourine-Man wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
Tambourine-Man wrote:
If a scientist wants to eliminate autism, well, they are welcome to try. It isn't going to happen.

Your argument from incedulity is disturbing and doesn't reveal anything about what you actually feel. You are simply dissuading people by saying that it is difficult. THat is not a conclusion at all. This isn't even optimism. It's ignorance of fact.


Let me clarify. I am very opposed to a prenatal test for autism. I'm not pleased with the idea at all.

However, I'm not fearful that a prenatal test will be developed any time soon for the reasons I listed above.
Well if people fund it with millions and the info is in china's hands then I would fear the worst. Would you even feel responsible for a eugenic genocide if it was developed.



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07 Nov 2011, 12:12 pm

aspie48 wrote:
Tambourine-Man wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
Tambourine-Man wrote:
If a scientist wants to eliminate autism, well, they are welcome to try. It isn't going to happen.

Your argument from incedulity is disturbing and doesn't reveal anything about what you actually feel. You are simply dissuading people by saying that it is difficult. THat is not a conclusion at all. This isn't even optimism. It's ignorance of fact.


Let me clarify. I am very opposed to a prenatal test for autism. I'm not pleased with the idea at all.

However, I'm not fearful that a prenatal test will be developed any time soon for the reasons I listed above.
Well if people fund it with millions and the info is in china's hands then I would fear the worst. Would you even feel responsible for a eugenic genocide if it was developed.


Why on earth would I feel responsible? I'm not funding or developing it. I don't endorse it.

The more money the throw at it the more they will discover the universal Neurodiversity of the human race.

The Autism Genome project is not a pursuit for a prenatal test. More than anything, it is an attempt to identify autistic genes so that one day diagnosis will not be based on the application of a vague list of symptoms.

The Autism Genome project is not seeking to eradicate autism, but to learn what it is.

Many of the individuals at autism speaks have taken to using the word autisms (plural). They have also begun using the word cures (plural). Why? Because the studies they have funded are revealing autism to be far more complex than anyone would have expected.

There is not one form of autism with varying degrees of severity. There are many, many forms... as many as there are autistic people. Something like Down Syndrome is far less genetically complex, and therefore easily identified.

It would be every bit as difficult to eliminate autism from the species as it would be to eliminate brown hair or blue eyes.


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07 Nov 2011, 12:15 pm

If this is true I regret coming back here.

http://notautismspeaks.tk/ <- Just look at this if you're a supporter of those... I can't even use the words I want to describe them with on this forum without getting banned :x



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07 Nov 2011, 12:18 pm

aspie48 wrote:
Tambourine-Man wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
Tambourine-Man wrote:
If a scientist wants to eliminate autism, well, they are welcome to try. It isn't going to happen.

Your argument from incedulity is disturbing and doesn't reveal anything about what you actually feel. You are simply dissuading people by saying that it is difficult. THat is not a conclusion at all. This isn't even optimism. It's ignorance of fact.


Let me clarify. I am very opposed to a prenatal test for autism. I'm not pleased with the idea at all.

However, I'm not fearful that a prenatal test will be developed any time soon for the reasons I listed above.
Well if people fund it with millions and the info is in china's hands then I would fear the worst. Would you even feel responsible for a eugenic genocide if it was developed.


The genome library doesn't belong to the Chinese. A company founded in China called bgi that has satellite locations in Europe and the US (bgiamericas) is working internationally with autism speaks to provide more genome sequencing of autistic people for the autism genome library. They are also sequencing the genomes of 2000 chinese people, so the US has has much access to their autism genome information as they have to ours.

The chinese are highly invested in the US already, and own most of our debt. We have more to fear from them economically than any genome test they might do on an autistic person. If they want information on the genome of autism they can get it from their people as easily as they can get it from our people. There is no evidence that the condition is any different in China than it is here.

This company has been sequencing genomes for years internationally. If there is anything to fear from the company the world shares in that danger, not just the people with autism that they sequence genomes from.

The hopes of the people that started the autism genome project years before autism speaks got involved, predicted that a prenatal test would be developed in a decade, if 10 genes could be definitively associated with autism. It didn't happen. We have over 130 gene markers now that are loosely associated with autism. The best indicator of autism in 10 percent of cases is fragile X syndrome. Scientists new that a decade ago so there is no new news there.

There hoping through the research that the genetic information will lead to better treatments. That remains to be seen, but it would not as likely be seen, if the research were not to continue.



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07 Nov 2011, 12:49 pm

Tambourine-Man wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
Tambourine-Man wrote:
If a scientist wants to eliminate autism, well, they are welcome to try. It isn't going to happen.

Your argument from incedulity is disturbing and doesn't reveal anything about what you actually feel. You are simply dissuading people by saying that it is difficult. THat is not a conclusion at all. This isn't even optimism. It's ignorance of fact.


Let me clarify. I am very opposed to a prenatal test for autism. I'm not pleased with the idea at all.

However, I'm not fearful that a prenatal test will be developed any time soon for the reasons I listed above.

That it should be developed at all is disturbing enough. You are using time as an accessory for a system that will be used in mass murder, genocide and eugenics.



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07 Nov 2011, 1:01 pm

Gedrene wrote:
Tambourine-Man wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
Tambourine-Man wrote:
If a scientist wants to eliminate autism, well, they are welcome to try. It isn't going to happen.

Your argument from incedulity is disturbing and doesn't reveal anything about what you actually feel. You are simply dissuading people by saying that it is difficult. THat is not a conclusion at all. This isn't even optimism. It's ignorance of fact.


Let me clarify. I am very opposed to a prenatal test for autism. I'm not pleased with the idea at all.

However, I'm not fearful that a prenatal test will be developed any time soon for the reasons I listed above.

That it should be developed at all is disturbing enough. You are using time as an accessory for a system that will be used in mass murder, genocide and eugenics.


That's a pretty big stretch, don't you think? A system that WILL be used in mass murder?

We don't even have a system yet. The closer we look, the less we see, because we are all so diverse.

I'm often asked if I believe the autistic mind is superior to the neurotypical mind, and pressed to give a yes or no answer. I cannot respond negatively or affirmatively to this question. There is no autistic or neurotypical mind. There are as many minds as there are individuals. Labels are for soup cans. No two human beings are exactly alike - that is the beauty of the human race. We are like snowflakes. People have a natural tendency to classify and categorize, but every snowball is nothing more or less than countless beautifully unique snowflakes, clumsily lumped together for strength and durability. When the snowball fight is over, the warmth of the sun returns all of us to our wonderful, original state of fluid diversity.

The world needs all kinds of minds. Most of these geneticists are likely on the spectrum themselves, they just might not be disabled by autisms.

If you truly believe that autism is an essential part of human evolution, don't you think research will reveal that?


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07 Nov 2011, 1:44 pm

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If this is true I regret coming back here.

http://notautismspeaks.tk/ <- Just look at this if you're a supporter of those... I can't even use the words I want to describe them with on this forum without getting banned :x


That link is an outdated one that still reports that the T-shirt incident was censorship by autism speaks, when the individual that was involved in the incident has clarified several years ago that it was a misunderstanding with the company not autism speaks.

If autism speaks was really concerned about censorship they would censor an outdated link that continues to provide false information about the organization.



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07 Nov 2011, 1:52 pm

aghogday wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:
If this is true I regret coming back here.

http://notautismspeaks.tk/ <- Just look at this if you're a supporter of those... I can't even use the words I want to describe them with on this forum without getting banned :x


That link is an outdated one that still reports that the T-shirt incident was censorship by autism speaks, when the individual that was involved in the incident has clarified several years ago that it was a misunderstanding with the company not autism speaks.

If autism speaks was really concerned about censorship they would censor an outdated link that continues to provide false information about the organization.


The t-shirt incident was Autism Speaks - they sent a C&D to the company printing the t-shirts. If this is incorrect, mind linking me to evidence?

Either way, the rest of the site is perfectly factual, regardless of whether or not some silly t-shirt incident happened as they say it did.



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07 Nov 2011, 2:37 pm

So I followed the links, looked at the sites, read the articles, and for me it boils down to this:

Who frakking cares!

It's the internet! Just because the net allows people equal voices does not mean all they have to say is relevant or even worth one's time to hear. I was never much of joiner anyway, I don't view any group as representing me in any form.