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I think you know. Quit boasting of the talents you aspies have while mentioning autism. Many autistics don't have basic living skills, so don't let the public confuse you smart aspies with the low-functioning. Many realize that aspies aren't cognitively impaired and have heard of their high aptitudes. So, it would be disastrous if they thought the same advantages applied to all other autistics. That's why aspie and autistic shouldn't be used interchangeably. You're not innocent.

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When I was a kid I couldn't tie my own shoes because neurotypical teachers did not know how to teach me.

From my understanding, there are five separate categories listed under the heading of Pervasive Developmental Disorders( informally recognized as Autism Spectrum Disorders) in the DSM-IV. Those separate categories are:

1) Autistic Disorder
2) Pervasive Developmental Disorder, Not Otherwise Specified
3) Asperger's Disorder
4) Rett's Disorder
5) Childhood Disintegrative Disorder

So, technically, Autistic disorder and Asperger's Disorder are Pervasive Developmental Disorders. Out of the five categories, Autistic Disorder was the most researched and well known of these obscure neuro-developmental conditions. As a matter of fact, when the few insurance companies begin to cover Pervasive Developmental Disorders, they were extremely precise often-times ONLY offering coverage for Autistic Disorder. As a result, i speculate THAT categories (2), (3), (4), and (5) have some broad overlap within category (1) which includes a spectrum of conditions ranging from Classic Autism to High functioning Autism.

Autistic disorder through a series of popular movies and T.V specials became synonymous with severe cognitive delays and possibly an extraordinary talent displaying itself. Thus, the extent of the spectrum(in the public eye) was from Classic Autism to Classic Autism with Savant Syndrome UNTIL Aspergers Syndrome came to prominence.

* We have to be honest about the history. I could go on .....i might later.

TheSunAlsoRises

this whole thread is rediculious,you guys have everything all wrong and misinterperited.you guys bash the world for judgeing you on a catagory and then you come up with a thread that is nothing more than hateing each other based on a catogory.all of you spring chickens who get all your autism info online should do what i did when i was your age.i read every book on autism at the university of massachusetts library.which by the way is the world tallest library,check the guinius book of records

vermontsavant wrote:

Well, it's never good to assume someones academic background, age, or where they get their information.

I think this discussion is relevant and needed. IF it does NOT happen here; it will take place some where else.

TheSunAlsoRises

i wasnt assuming anything.i never went college but umass had the best library in the area and one didnt need to be a student to use it.but i do think if people of all ages did more reading and less online nit picking that would be better.also although the authors of old may be somewhat outdated you first must understand them to disagree with them.and the latest trend in online stereotypes is no better.yes the doctors of antiquity(kanner,asperger,bettleheim,j.l.down,rett,frith,wing etc...)dont always have autism defined corectly however you guys just make up your own definations

vermontsavant wrote:

Every name THAT you have mentioned, i am familiar with. I have read their works and continue to do so. Also, i think it's possible THAT others who contributed to this discussion have read the authors THAT you listed. What I think is occurring here, is simply a disagreement; a disagreement on how 'disabilities' and 'differences' are seen along the spectrum by whom(autists and non-autists).


TheSunAlsoRises

yes it is a disagreement and i wasnt making any attempt at formal moderation.i was just disagreeing personaly myself.where do people get there definations for autism.one person says"im autistic and everyone like me is autistic".another person says"unless your like me you shouldnt even use the word autistic".my opinion is against playing god and going around policing autisms definations.yes doctors and n.t's often have things wrong,but do you all think you have all the answers.just my opinion

Ok first off how would you know how all people with autism think and function, do you want people with autism that do have skills to just ignore them because their 'autistic' so can't possibly accomplish anything? speak for yourself you don't speak for everyone with autism. Also prove that all aspies aren't cognitively impaired or have heard of their high aptitudes whatever that means.

not all of us aspies have these 'advantages' you speak of so quit making assumptions.

They already are ignoring them. These guys I'm complaining of don't speak for all with autism either. I'm talking of the aspies who are well off enough to boast of their talents. You don't need to side with them. They don't care about you. Think of what the anti-cure crowd wants to do. They only care for the extremely high-functioning ones on the spectrum. The ones with high aptitudes, which are the ones who do really great at school and easily, and who can get great careers. Anyone else is an afterthought. Look, if I disappeared, what would improve? Who would be satisfied if they were to keep things their way?

The first thing that the neurotypicals do is divide the autistic civil rights movement. Don't listen to the gifted autistics they say because they are not for you. Well guess what. In eyes of a neurotypical I am a ret*d. If I invent a time machine neurotypicals will say that I am psychotic because time machines don't exist. If I go to the Moon a neurotypical will say that the Moon landing was a hoax.

I'm not 'siding' with anyone...I just see no reason why someone with AS should be barred from discussing autism, especially since AS is autism but regardless of that if someone with AS or autism has talents they can boast of why should they pretend they don't? I mean I don't think bragging is cool.......but typically people are proud of their accomplishments.

As for anti-cure, I just find the notion of curing autism a little ridiculous...as it comes down to different brain wiring, so I think there are better ways then spending all the time and money to specifically research 'how to get rid of autism.' such as maybe figuring out how best to help autistic people with issues they do have while still treating them as humans with the ability to live a decent life...so providing support as well as encouragement. I don't see why there has to be so much division over it.

They shouldn't be discussing anything if they're lying. Especially if they're lying in a way that furthers attempts to infringe on others' rights. Their bragging should be limited to themselves. They shouldn't be pretending that others have their talents when trying to convince others not to allow progress for those same others. You know that not all with autism have their talents, so those adept aspies shouldn't be pretending otherwise.


There is no other way. Being carried around and coddled by others isn't a great way to live. These saccharine ideas have no meaning in real life. I have large problems. And others aren't interested in dealing with them. They have ordeals of their own. They don't want to hear my problems, and hate putting up with my impairments. So, I have to deal with them while being at their mercy, while earning meager money. And it's basically the same all around society. That's the inevitable reality when individuals lack basic necessities. I have to admit, I hate and loathe being dependent on others as I must. There should be division cause there's a lot of misery out there, and some don't want the basic conditions that cause it to change. Unless, the talented ones on the spectrum would be ok with sharing their abilities with all on the spectrum, through cure.

They didn't divide the so called "civil rights movement" of yours. Your movement is based on dominance, hierarchy, and selfishness. The "movement" achieved nothing so far, by the way. You never stop whining of this exaggerated conflict between autistics and NTs, in order to deceive others into supporting your ideas. Meanwhile, lots of NTs also gain satisfaction in dominating and supporting those who are weaker than them intellectually, and there are a crapload of desperate or egotistical NT mothers of autistics, or other NT individuals, who have accepted the anti-cure nonsense you promote. You refuse to acknowledge that there is a serious conflict within the spectrum due to an extreme disparity in aptitude/functioning ability. That is not a trivial issue.
What's with this time machine crap? Where is your time machine? If you didn't invent one yet, it's irrelevant, as nobody has called you psychotic for inventing something you didn't invent. Stop making autism into a larger spectacle than is already being made by others out there. And I doubt you're looked down on by NTs like you say. I see a lot of aspies talking of the ways they "pass" as non-autistic in front of others, and that others are surprised when they mention that they're aspies.

So what would be the goal of your cure, to make non-neurotypicals neurotypical? well hopefully you believe it should be up to the individual to choose? and not something forced upon them......there are already treatments to try and make people with autism neurotypical, doesn't really work. I really see nothing terrible about what I said.....nor do I see where I indicated being carried around and coddled by others is a great way to live. Also how would a cure make people with aspergers 'share' their abilities....how do you share abilities that's like saying I could trade boobs with my sister or something.

They want to infringe on the right to make cure occur. They try to do that by trying to dupe others into thinking that all autistics are as heavily talented as the talented aspies are. As nobody would think cure is necessary if they're all talented. I think they have been implying all others are talented, by them omitting to mention the fact that many autistics have problems doing things, at the same time as they bash the goal of cure.


I don't think that's the point. The goal is to remove impairments and bring aptitude.


Those aren't strong enough. A cure would have to involve modifying aspects of the brain that deal with aptitude.


Those are the less than redeeming things that are actually going on out there, outside of the lofty things many like to say.


They would have to know what mechanisms are necessary for one to have particular abilities. They may have to know what within the brain causes the very high-functioning/many aspies to have the aptitudes they do. Then they would have to make those same conditions occur in the brains of those who otherwise would be lower-functioning. It may involve genetic modifications. It wouldn't be like a trade really. I would consider it a redistribution, so that all can have equal amounts of ability. So that all of this talent/aptitude is had by all.