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12 Jun 2012, 9:07 am

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By not doing so they're failing in their duty to represent and protect the Autistic community, and are in fact being neglectful by failing to inform the public by debunking such ridiculous claims of treatment.
I've yet to see the same accusations made against all the other organisations.

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I'm afraid it's you who is being irrational by suggesting they should not care and not comment on this.
But that isn't what I suggested at all, and you further emotionalise the issue by implying that they don't care.
But of course you would: it's Autism Speaks...


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12 Jun 2012, 9:19 am

Cornflake wrote:
Nexus wrote:
By not doing so they're failing in their duty to represent and protect the Autistic community, and are in fact being neglectful by failing to inform the public by debunking such ridiculous claims of treatment.
I've yet to see the same accusations made against all the other organisations.

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I'm afraid it's you who is being irrational by suggesting they should not care and not comment on this.
But that isn't what I suggested at all, and you further emotionalise the issue by implying that they don't care.
But of course you would: it's Autism Speaks...


I don't see you arguing the position on why they shouldn't do what I suggest. All you've been doing is attempting character assassination and deflections so far instead of addressing the point head on.


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12 Jun 2012, 9:35 am

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You know if Autism Speaks wanted to do us any favours, they should at least publicly condemn this "treatment" to the strongest degree before another murder is committed
Why? Why not any other Autism-related organisation? And why Autism Speaks and not the bleach manufacturers, who ultimately made it all possible?


You leaping to Autism Speaks's defense aside, I do not grasp the rationale behind you blaming bleach manufacturers. They made their products for cleaning bathrooms -- not rectums, much less to "cure" autism. And I guessed they made it clear on their labels.

Why not place the blame instead on those quacks who administer such an absurd method? Those fraudsters do not deserve their practice, and their practice would be better off without them.


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12 Jun 2012, 9:37 am

theimperiousdork wrote:
Cornflake wrote:
Nexus wrote:
You know if Autism Speaks wanted to do us any favours, they should at least publicly condemn this "treatment" to the strongest degree before another murder is committed
Why? Why not any other Autism-related organisation? And why Autism Speaks and not the bleach manufacturers, who ultimately made it all possible?


You leaping to Autism Speaks's defense aside, I do not grasp the rationale behind you blaming bleach manufacturers. They made their products for cleaning bathrooms -- not rectums, much less to "cure" autism. And I guessed they made it clear on their labels.

Why not place the blame instead on those quacks who administer such an absurd method? Those fraudsters do not deserve their practice, and their practice would better without them.
Why do people blame gun manufacturers or places that sell guns? Cornflake wasn't blaming bleach manufacturers, he was asking why Nexus was not.


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12 Jun 2012, 9:40 am

Delphiki wrote:
theimperiousdork wrote:
Cornflake wrote:
Nexus wrote:
You know if Autism Speaks wanted to do us any favours, they should at least publicly condemn this "treatment" to the strongest degree before another murder is committed
Why? Why not any other Autism-related organisation? And why Autism Speaks and not the bleach manufacturers, who ultimately made it all possible?


You leaping to Autism Speaks's defense aside, I do not grasp the rationale behind you blaming bleach manufacturers. They made their products for cleaning bathrooms -- not rectums, much less to "cure" autism. And I guessed they made it clear on their labels.

Why not place the blame instead on those quacks who administer such an absurd method? Those fraudsters do not deserve their practice, and their practice would better without them.

Why do people blame gun manufacturers or places that sell guns? Cornflake wasn't blaming bleach manufacturers, he was asking why Nexus was not.


Do I have to repeat my point again?

Why not place the blame instead on those quacks who administer such an absurd method?


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12 Jun 2012, 10:10 am

Delphiki wrote:
theimperiousdork wrote:
Cornflake wrote:
Nexus wrote:
You know if Autism Speaks wanted to do us any favours, they should at least publicly condemn this "treatment" to the strongest degree before another murder is committed
Why? Why not any other Autism-related organisation? And why Autism Speaks and not the bleach manufacturers, who ultimately made it all possible?


You leaping to Autism Speaks's defense aside, I do not grasp the rationale behind you blaming bleach manufacturers. They made their products for cleaning bathrooms -- not rectums, much less to "cure" autism. And I guessed they made it clear on their labels.

Why not place the blame instead on those quacks who administer such an absurd method? Those fraudsters do not deserve their practice, and their practice would better without them.
Why do people blame gun manufacturers or places that sell guns? Cornflake wasn't blaming bleach manufacturers, he was asking why Nexus was not.


Because the bleach manufacturers did not perpetuate the myth that their product cures Autism. Anyway that's not the point and served only to deflect from the original issue as I wasn't blaming Autism Speaks for that at all. I was merely suggesting that when a situation like this comes up involving a potential lethal quackery treatment, they're obliged to inform the public as soon as possible about the dangers and ineffectiveness of it. Considering (like it or not) Autism Speaks holds a lot of power and influence over the perception of Autism towards the general public; any statement they make or information they provide is likely propagated more rapidly and widespread in mainstream than with any other Autism-based organisation.


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12 Jun 2012, 10:19 am

Nexus wrote:
Delphiki wrote:
theimperiousdork wrote:
Cornflake wrote:
Nexus wrote:
You know if Autism Speaks wanted to do us any favours, they should at least publicly condemn this "treatment" to the strongest degree before another murder is committed
Why? Why not any other Autism-related organisation? And why Autism Speaks and not the bleach manufacturers, who ultimately made it all possible?


You leaping to Autism Speaks's defense aside, I do not grasp the rationale behind you blaming bleach manufacturers. They made their products for cleaning bathrooms -- not rectums, much less to "cure" autism. And I guessed they made it clear on their labels.

Why not place the blame instead on those quacks who administer such an absurd method? Those fraudsters do not deserve their practice, and their practice would better without them.
Why do people blame gun manufacturers or places that sell guns? Cornflake wasn't blaming bleach manufacturers, he was asking why Nexus was not.


Because the bleach manufacturers did not perpetuate the myth that their product cures Autism. Anyway that's not the point and served only to deflect from the original issue as I wasn't blaming Autism Speaks for that at all. I was merely suggesting that when a situation like this comes up involving a potential lethal quackery treatment, they're obliged to inform the public as soon as possible about the dangers and ineffectiveness of it. Considering (like it or not) Autism Speaks holds a lot of power and influence over the perception of Autism towards the general public; any statement they make or information they provide is likely propagated more rapidly and widespread in mainstream than with any other Autism-based organisation.


I definitely agree with you on that point. Like I reiterated to Delphiki a few posts back (clearly, he didn't understand anything about it), the blame falls on those who administer such an absurd method.

As for those Mafiosi, their business is just to fatten their pockets with donations from the paranoids and those who believe their lies, but then again, it's not the real of topic of this conversation.

To make it concise for Delphiki and those who need to further understand: Blame the quacks, not Clorox. Bleaches are for bathrooms, not rectums.


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12 Jun 2012, 10:22 am

theimperiousdork wrote:
You leaping to Autism Speaks's defense aside
Those special bias glasses of yours are causing reading difficulties again, aren't they? :wink:

@Nexus: The only point I wanted to make is that when Autism Speaks pops up and er, speaks - it gets shot down.
And now - surprise surprise - it's being shot down for not popping up and speaking.


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12 Jun 2012, 10:31 am

Cornflake wrote:
theimperiousdork wrote:
You leaping to Autism Speaks's defense aside
Those special bias glasses of yours are causing reading difficulties again, aren't they? :wink:


I don't know what "special bias glasses" you were talking about, but my eyes are fine, thank you very much. ;)

That isn't really the topic of my argument, though. My point was that I do not grasp the rationale behind you having to blame the bleach manufacturers. And news flash: Bleaches are for bathrooms, not rectums. And I guess Clorox made it clear on their products. But the quacks may had ignored it and shoved chlorine up autistics' anal orifices, in an attempt to "rid" them of their autism.


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12 Jun 2012, 10:35 am

Cornflake wrote:
Nexus wrote:
By not doing so they're failing in their duty to represent and protect the Autistic community, and are in fact being neglectful by failing to inform the public by debunking such ridiculous claims of treatment.
I've yet to see the same accusations made against all the other organisations.

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I'm afraid it's you who is being irrational by suggesting they should not care and not comment on this.
But that isn't what I suggested at all, and you further emotionalise the issue by implying that they don't care.
But of course you would: it's Autism Speaks...



I think it is pretty screwed up they would not bring attention to it as well, considering they claim to speak for autistics and their families....other autism organizations should jump on this to, but as far as I can tell not many of them have either. And to me child abuse is an emotional issue, that people have every right to feel emotional about feeding kids toxic chemicals is abuse plain and simple.


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12 Jun 2012, 10:37 am

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I don't know what "special bias glasses" you were talking about, but my eyes are fine, thank you very much. ;)
Your eyes may be but your impartiality isn't because clearly, your judgement is being clouded by baseless opinion.
I'm referring to your refusal elsewhere to provide evidence to back your claims and statements such as this:
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As for those Mafiosi, their business is just to fatten their pockets with donations from the paranoids and those who believe their lies

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I do not grasp the rationale behind you having to blame the bleach manufacturers.
Actually, I blamed no-one. I simply asked questions.


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12 Jun 2012, 10:40 am

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i dont get all this wouldnt bleach ruin the intestinal tract and cause internal hemoraging.bleach isnt too disimiler to potasium chloride the chemical used in lethal injections


Well obviously they don't use enough of it to totally ruin the intestinal tract at once, but yes over time I am sure it could. Harsh chemicals are not very kind on the intestinal tract. Apparantly though some of the side effects from this 'medication' are diahrihaa, nausea and general intestional discomfort so I think it's safe to say its doing some damage to that area.


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12 Jun 2012, 10:53 am

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I think it is pretty screwed up they would not bring attention to it as well, considering they claim to speak for autistics and their families....other autism organizations should jump on this to, but as far as I can tell not many of them have either.
I suspect it's largely because the whole idea of forcing domestic bleach up someone's rear passage as a cure for anything is just plain, mind-numbingly stupid and no-one should need to explain how it would cause nothing but damage. That's the most horrifying aspect of all this - the apparently bottomless depths to people's stupidity.
I don't doubt that the bleach containers already have warnings to the effect of "Danger - do not drink" on them - but how anyone can translate that into meaning "It doesn't mention rectums so that must be Ok" is staggering.
If adults really need to have this explained, by anyone, then there is truly no hope for humanity.

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And to me child abuse is an emotional issue, that people have every right to feel emotional about feeding kids toxic chemicals is abuse plain and simple.
Oh absolutely, it is abuse and should always invoke an emotional response - but it's inappropriate to use it as emotional weaponry to imply that a corporation doesn't care.


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12 Jun 2012, 10:53 am

Cornflake wrote:
theimperiousdork wrote:
I don't know what "special bias glasses" you were talking about, but my eyes are fine, thank you very much. ;)
Your eyes may be but your impartiality isn't because clearly, your judgement is being clouded by baseless opinion.
I'm referring to your refusal elsewhere to provide evidence to back your claims and statements such as this:
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As for those Mafiosi, their business is just to fatten their pockets with donations from the paranoids and those who believe their lies

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I do not grasp the rationale behind you having to blame the bleach manufacturers.
Actually, I blamed no-one. I simply asked questions.


Please do not divert our conversation to my partiality on that vile group. I am reiterating the fact that the quackery of shoving chlorine bleach up one's rectum, regardless if they were autistic or not, is pure BS; coupled with the fact that the bleach manufacturers made it clear that is not for human consumption. Bottom line: Blame those fraudsters who practise such a quackery.


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12 Jun 2012, 10:55 am

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I definitely agree with you on that point. Like I reiterated to Delphiki a few posts back (clearly, he didn't understand anything about it), the blame falls on those who administer such an absurd method.
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close to a personal attack there, gotta watch it :wink:


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12 Jun 2012, 11:01 am

Delphiki wrote:
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I definitely agree with you on that point. Like I reiterated to Delphiki a few posts back (clearly, he didn't understand anything about it), the blame falls on those who administer such an absurd method.
s.

close to a personal attack there, gotta watch it :wink:


Well, I ask you a question: Were you able to get my point beforehand? Before you accuse me of personally attacking you, I suggest you look at the previous posts that had been made before that one.

Unless, of course, you would want me to repeat my point. Though I've said it ad nauseam, I can repeat it for you.


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