watch the video of extradited asperger sufferer Talha Ahan

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I'm not implying it should, and there are already several in this thread who have decided he's guilty.
It's just that your condemnation, on the basis of an allegation, irrespective of his condition, is prejudiced and pretty crappy.

Or innocent.

Clearly. With this level of "certainty" let's just string him up now, eh, and avoid those annoying legal formalities.

Or we could simply let him walk free.

I want him to go through the proper legal process. Why on Earth is this taking so long?!

Ah well now you're talking...
If there is evidence, present it and let's have done with it one way or another.
Pretty much the same thing applies to Guantanamo too.

It is suspicious, a person is extradited to the USA for a crime allegedly carried out from computers in the UK, especially when a person has aspergers.

Gary McKinnon was not extradited because of his human rights, exactly the same as Talha Ahsan.

To be honest, they should have tried McKinnon in this country too. The trial should have been swift, and he should have gone to jail for his crime.

Same is true of Ahsan. If found guilty, he should go to jail. I don't care whether he has Asperger's or not. You commit crimes, you pay the penalty for them.

That's not what the almost-entirely Islamist campigners are saying, though - they're saying he's innocent (because they say so - I can't imagine them defending a hateful dickhead who allegedly defaced a mosque, for example) and he should be freed, which is not the same.

If this man has committed crimes, he shouldn't be let off the hook for them. He should be arrested, tried and punished. And the same should be true of McKinnon as well. I'm worried that Asperger's is being abused by criminals, which will further discredit the reputation of the disorder in the eyes of the public.

Babar Ahmad and Talha Ahsan are innocent.

Abu Hamza has been convicted. He was extradited. The media and politicians,placed the cases of Talha Ahsan and Babar Ahmad, with Abu Hamza.

Abu Qatada, Haroon Rashid Aswat, Khalid Al Fawwaz, Abel Bari are no good.#

Talha Ahsan is in solitary confinement.

Talha Ahsan versus GaryMcKinnon

Expert advice was noted in McKinnon’s case and led to extradition being halted but were ignored in Ahsan’s. Dr Quinton Deeley recommended Talha receive specialist care for his condition after he was diagnosed in 2009: “It should be noted that by virtue of his Asperger’s syndrome and depressive disorder, (Talha) is an extremely vulnerable individual who, from a psychiatric perspective, would be more appropriately placed in a specialist service for adults with autistic disorders and co-morbid mental health problems, with a level of security dictated by his risk assessment.”A European Court of Human Rights hearing in March this year said that before Talha was diagnosed with Asperger’s, “a psychiatrist had predicted a high risk of serious depression leading to suicide if the third applicant (Ahsan) were to be extradited and placed in solitary confinement for a long period.”
In a submission to the ECHR, an American criminologist detailed the “heightened difficulties experienced by those with Asperger’s syndrome in federal prisons and the absence of proper facilities within the Bureau of Prisons to treat the condition”.
Despite this diagnosis, Talha has been extradited and now faces life in prison in solitary confinement in a US facility

Talha Ahsan will not survive solitary confinement for more than a few years.

That's a blanket statement and it reads like you're regurgitating the propaganda of their (mainly) Islamist supporters who have a vested interest in seeing one of their comrades freed. These are people that have ties to terrorist movements. Is that the sort of people you want to ally yourself to? We're talking about some very shady people here.

How do you know that they are innocent? Are you the judge? Have you seen the evidence? There are charges against them; serious charges. He should be put through a court of law - probably in the UK - to answer these charges. He should be put on trial. If he truly is innocent, he won't have a problem disproving them, will he? I do think that he should be trialled though, and bring an end to this insane farce. If he is found not guilty, then that should be the end of this particular matter.

And as for him being in solitary confinement: he's in jail awaiting extradition and is probably deemed a threat to either himself or others (I suspect this is normal when dealing with suspected terrorists). I can't say I have much sympathy with his plight.

If Ahsan is overwhelmingly found guilty, you will then look rather foolish. If he is found not guilty, justice will - hopefully - have been served.

Exclusive Babar Ahmad (Talha Ahsan Codefendent) BBC Interview

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Why do the Americans want to extradite 2 people including a person with aspergers, the charges including running a defunct website ?


Talha Ahsan's asperger syndrome

It is against human rights to leave a person with aspergers in solitary confinement, lights on all the time, no stimuli (no heating, when the night temperature is -21).

They have no ties to terrorist but were showing an interest in Palestine, Chechnya, Afghanistan, Iraq sanctions etc.

There was no prima facie, evidence required to extradite Babar Ahmad & Talha Ahsan.

The American legal system is different to the British legal system.

Aspergers Sufferer Talha Ahsan - Extradition

Go to 23 minutes, especially 25 minutes.

The War of Terror cleanses all sins. This War of Terror under which people were sentenced to 65 years in prison for doing precisely to the last detail what USAID was doing, a US government agency. This War of Terror under which a 70-year old lawyer was given 10 years in prison for expressing relief that a previous sentence for representing her client was not as bad as she thought it would be. The War of Terror under which people are executed without any knowledge as to who they are, simply based on how they move. This War of Terror where a child is murdered in cold blood because of who his father is and the government spokesman says that it's his fault he had such a bad father.

The "material support of terrorism" can involve simply expressing support for the same cause as that which a listed terrorist group is pursuing. It doesn't even have to mean supporting the group, it means supporting the cause. Then again, Rudolf Giuliani openly backs the listed MEK group. If they applied their laws equally, he'd be in solitary for life!

By the way, they stole 5 years of his life without any charges at all. This is the worst tyranny imaginable. Those who try to justify this will say that hey, it won't happen to us, only to unpopular groups. You never know when you'll end up being in such a group and when that happens, it will be too late for you.

One is innocent until proven guilty. There is no evidence in circulation that Talha Ahsan has committed a crime. He was extradited purely on an allegation. The indictment against him is also allegation rather than evidence.

It will probably never be possible to determine whether he is truly guilty because he will not be given the opportunity for a fair and full trial on American soil without incurring the risk of an extremely long and draconian jail sentence. The bizarre and dysfunctional system of justice in the US makes use of a plea bargain. The British businessman Christopher Tappin, who was extradited last year, pleaded guilty on pragmatic grounds to receive a 3 year long sentence whereas a full trial carried the risk of a 30 year sentence.

The plea bargain alone is a sufficient reason never to extradite a British citizen to the United States.



Britain already has laws against terrorism and if Talha Ahsan had broken them then he already would have been prosecuted and jailed years ago. A businessman Karl Watkin even tried to commence a private prosecution both for terrorism and soliciting murder and both were thrown out because of lack of sufficient evidence. This IMO is enough to confirm that he is innocent unless further information comes to light confirming guilt.



I'm concerned that I could be extradited for infringing a US software patent. I live in a country that does not have software patents and US patents (on anything) are only valid in the US. If I upload software I have written which makes use of a US software patent on the internet where Americans can download it then in theory I could be extradited to the US and prosecuted for breaking an American law.

This guy is just using Asperger's as a "get out of jail"card, just like Gary MacKinnon, and the idiot neurodiversity advocates are playing right into these criminals hands...