Google eliminates 'die' search suggestion for autism

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The algorithms used by Google auto-complete searches do not have the power to lie or the power to determine intent.

They index key words in searches and key words in actual search results, however that does not necessarily mean that people in general population are actually saying the exact phrases "autistics should be killed", "autistics should be exterminated", or "autistics should die" in real life. In fact when one searches on these exact phrases they yield 72, 2, and 8 respective results for each phrase. The most enlightening part of it, is that almost every result is a rhetorical argument against the phrases not with malicious intent.

In fact on the expanded search on similar results for the phrase "autistics should be exterminated" there are currently 8 results all of which are specific to this specific topic we are now discussing and one other by autistics who are the only ones who have ever discussed that specific phrase per actual search results in Google.

To get an exact search result for a phrase in a google search one must use quotation marks before and after the phrases, without those quotation marks one gets random results for either of the three words in the google algorithm created auto complete search phrase that does not necessarily constitute an exact phrase that an individual has typed in as the results are also based on key word results in the actual text of the results of the search that are randomly dispersed in millions of search results that may have the keywords randomly placed anywhere in the text of the result.

As a good reference point in this experiment of how the process works is if one types in the pejorative phrase "fat people must be killed" there are 595,000 results on this exact phrase in quotation remarks, and most unfortunately many of the comments have actual malicious intent, where that is not the case when the subject noun used is "autistics"

So if one were to use a scale of hate based on search results for these exact pejorative phrase search results, the hate for "fat people" is astronomically higher than that for "autistics". In fact per the actual results the hate is almost non-existent for autistics per malicious as opposed to rhetorical content.

Better yet if one types in the auto complete search result for autistic do, the result is "autistics do it better". There were 1980 exact search results on that positive phrase.

So a question is why so few negative actual results of intention on these pejorative exact phrases quoted associated with autistics, and why so many negative actual results of intention on the pejorative exact phrase quoted associated with "Fat People", and finally why so many positive results for the exact phrase "autistics do it better" associated with the auto-complete phrase autistics do.

The answer appears very clear from the results that society in general in real life, in text, does not allow other people to use these pejorative phrases associated with the word autistics, but society give people a free pass on what is pejorative phrased associated with "fat people".

The issue here is one of an algorithm that doesn't block indexed key word search suggestions based on rhetorical statements in auto-search or in key word indexed search results when there is no malicious intent. If there were malicious intent that went unchallenged there could be 595,000 search results for autistics on the killed key word instead of 72, most of which are in rhetorical opposition to that phrase.

The fact that we are all in this discussion and only one other website has ever used the exact quoted phrase "autistics should be exterminated", per google search results to date, is the best evidence of all that society overall supports autistics, and there is a potential myth about society and autistics that is being generated over this issue that is not substantiated by the evidence of actual results on searches. Or in how the google auto-complete process as described by google that takes actual indexed key word web results into account to make the auto search suggestions that may not equal exact phrases searched on the internet when quotes are used in a search.

It is reasonably offensive that the search engine does this, and it is reasonable for Google to correct that issue, but from the evidence as it exists, there is not substantial evidence that society is actually saying these things with malicious intent in significant numbers against autistics. The phrases are on the internet, but it is autistic people defending the issue, not malicious intent that is evidenced by the results of those exact phrases.

The keywords autistic and exterminate are the property almost exclusively of the autism community, per search results, used in rhetorical discussions over the fear of this issue, not the malicious intent in use of these keywords in actual search results.

https://adwords.google.com/o/Targeting/ ... WORD_IDEAS

Also if anyone needs any more evidence of how infrequently the exact pejorative phrases are actually searched, google provides a key word tool in the link above that measures the frequency of searches on the exact words and phrases used on the internet.

There are no searches listed in global monthly searches for the exact phrases with the words exterminate and die in them, and there are less than 10 global monthly searches for the exact phrases with the word killed in them.

As opposed to 140 global monthly searches for the pejorative phrase "fat people should be killed". But that Doesn't change the recorded 595,000 results in actual historical web pages for the historical record of how many times the exact phrase comes up in the result of 1 search.

Google is continuously linking these results whether or not anyone actually searches for them or not. The actual results are meaningful, but the number of exact phrase searches, are not very meaningful at all taken on a global scale. Next month after all the attention provided this month on these exact phrases in online communities these numbers may change if enough different IP addresses are doing exact phrase searches on them on a global basis.

From an analytical perspective there is not much reason to type these pejorative phrases in for amusement or malicious intent to see how many results come up, because if a person want to spread hate speech they can put it on the record in an almost unlimited number of websites, instead of in a curious question of whether or not the phrases exist in another person's record in the historical past on a website.

The separate key words exist to make an auto complete suggestion, through google algorithms from the website text, but there is hardly any evidence that a substantial number of people are actually doing searches on these exact phrases, for amusement or malicious purposes.

The keyword tool that Google provides appears to be the clearest evidence of this yet. It is the only free way to determine how many actual google searches are done on words or exact phrases where the person actually selects the suggested auto-complete results generated from the algorithms that can be derived from keywords in website text, if no one is actually doing searches on the exact phrases that result as suggestions from the algorithms generated from keywords in website text.

Try the keyword tool and one might find that an unintelligible user name on the internet is searched more than the pejorative autistic phrases discussed in this topic.

Well, it changes one thing-- a person setting out to try to learn about their condition doesn't immediately encounter a bunch of "information" telling them that there's no point in trying to learn, that they are irredeemable and worse than worthless.

Hopefully, it also means that a person setting out to learn about a loved one's condition or something they heard mentioned in passing on the news won't come across a preponderance of that s**t first and foremost, either. Which WOULD make our lives better.

It might produce less people who think the way I do, and maybe even make the way I think less necessary for survival.

In the mean time, the facts of the situation make it pretty clear that my spouse and my therapist have their heads up their asses, that my frustration and fear (even unto the point of agoraphobia) are, quite frankly, utterly justified.

It's not like we're special. Try the following in google and see the auto suggestions:
Black people should
Koreans should
Mexicans will
ADD is
Beyonce is

Anyone who has been on the internet longer than a month will not be the least bit surprised.

I don't know. I tried typing in "spicks should" and the worst thing I came up with in the first page was "take showers."

I was deliberately using a derogatory term, figuring that was the fastest way to see the worst of the hate speech...

...and you gotta admit, there's a lot of room between "take showers" and "be killed" or "be exterminated" or "not have children."

I know that Googling "autistics should" today produces search results that are a lot more life-affirming than they were the first time I typed in something like "Asperger's syndrome and marriage" (or even just "Asperger's syndrome") back around 2003.

If these were the first things I'd seen, I might never have learned that I had to learn to force myself to see myself as bad, dangerous, detrimental, evil, valueless, and et cetera.

It's definitely too late for Adam Lanza. It's too late for Dylan Hockley and the other autistic child (I believe her name was Grace, Olivia, or Emilie-- I remember reading the memorial her father wrote but can find no record online, but at least I remember that someone loved her very, very much) that Adam Lanza murdered.

It's almost assuredly too late for me. I have already gone to the effort of teaching myself to hate myself, teaching myself to like myself, teaching myself that I am worthy only of hate, and then teaching myself to hate myself again. I'm not likely to take another chance.

It might be too late for my son, as I'm pretty firmly of the conclusion that the best thing I can do for him (since the school system has already made it clear that, if he's affected, he is "too high-functioning" for help) is teach him to hate and fear himself, to accept that as necessary, and to expect nothing better out of life but to enjoy his good moments as he can get them.

It might not be too late for someone else.

I'm not sure how much of my post you actually read, because you restated a few points that I made (one being that we need to dispute what's being said, regardless of the situation), and mentioned something that I wasn't even talking about (people wanting to learn more about AS).

If people want to actually learn about AS they need to ask specialists, and look at real information instead of the heresay that the public likes the spew.

Hon, when you're a 25-year-old kid with an Internet connection, no health insurance, very little money, and a few bad experiences with the mental health care system already under your belt, you're not going to turn to experts...

...if you can even find 'em. It's getting better today (not a lot, but every improvement helps), but back in the Dark Ages of 10 years ago, experts on Asperger's were damn hard to find (and experts who actually knew something real were even harder).

I survived my first depression because I had the dumb luck to be assigned an MSW student who happened to have a nephew with Asperger's. Too bad for me, she graduated and her successor thought the best thing I could do was "join a sorority and learn how to be normal." Glad THAT one didn't work out.

Point being-- a LOT of people go to the Internet (or the library, if they're lucky) first, either because experts aren't available, aren't affordable, or because they're trying very hard to take a proactive stance and at least go in with some information.

When the preponderance of that information is that "normal people find me annoying at best, worthless and evil at worst," what's the logical result??

When a lot of "experts" in education and mental health care believe the same thing, largely because it's what they've been exposed to in the media (talked to plenty of those, too), what's the logical result??

As an experiment I allowed autocomplete to generate the offensive results so that I could see the actual websites where this was being said. The websites that came up were websites of the autistic community discussing how terrible it was that this could come up in searches. There was no hate speech! It's like a mobius meme that created itself.

To remove something from view that would otherwise be seen is to hide it, regardless of the reason you or anyone else wants it hidden or thinks it doesn't matter if it's hidden.

The Streisand effect. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

It's about time. I was actually asked by one of my bullies in Grade 6 why my mum didn't have an abortion when she was pregnant with me. I told that character that my mum wanted two children and I was to be her firstborn. I can just imagine what he said to his family about me at the dinner table that night. He was on me for 7 years until he was suspended from my elementary school at the beginning of Grade 7. I feel that we shouldn't be exterminated, aborted or euthanized. We're a part of life and I hope that one day everybody can come to respect the lives of all people and animals that are conceived from conception until natural death. From the womb to the tomb. I'd find it hard to talk to the type of people who think we'd be better off dead.

Thank you for trying that.

I have looked through the actual key word results that have been generated in literally millions of results by people in the autism community specific to the key words "killing" and "die" and they are generated by literally hundreds of thousands of results of people on the spectrum discussing people off the spectrum killing people on the spectrum, most specifically filicides that occur about twice every year reported in the media, that generates thousands of discussions from one reported event.

The "exterminated" term is used almost exclusively by people in the autism community discussing eugenicist fears that autism speaks and/or the government is out to exterminate autistic people

The poster that provided the "Streisand" effect says it all. Some people on the spectrum spend a great deal of time online generating millions of words, per the same issues, continuously over years. This is part of the nature of how autism is described per RRBI's so that should be no surprise.

I am one of those people, but I hope to help people to understand that a great deal of the fear is being generated through rhetorical discussion in the autism community instead of outside of it, even in the case of historical concerns over Filicides and Eugenicist fears.

I will use myself as an example. I have less than 5,000 posts here, but as one can see they are long, and average at least a thousand words per post. That's 5,000,000 words for google to index. I use a lot of different words in my communication and discuss a variety of subjects, so a search result on my unintelligible user name, that I am the only person that uses, results in 110,000 results.

I used the key word tool from google linked in my post above to determine how many people were actually searching on the exact quoted pejorative phrases suggested in google auto complete as a result of the algorithm produced search suggestions based on millions of key words typed in text associated with the word autistics and should.

Most of which are used in rhetorical arguments in the autism community against ideas associated with the key words. The only result again, as detailed in my post above was less than 10 global searches per month for the exact pejorative phrase with killed in it.

Out of curiosity, I typed in my user name Aghogday, and it came up with 73 global search results per month. I can imagine no other reason why someone might search on it, except for the fact they saw it in a post somewhere in a search result among the 5,000,000+ words I have typed on the internet, and wondered what the word means or who would have a strange name like that. It's just an acronym I made up to describe something I was thinking about at that time about my life experience, so it means nothing to anyone else.

No one in the world has that name in real life, organization, or any described object, per what comes up in google search result, for that unintelligible phrase. For me it means the way I felt when I first came to this site, with horrible vision problems, and a state of life that seemed at the time like
"Another Ground Hog Day", per the Bill Murray movie, each day, as compared to my fast paced life before:).

But never the less, 73 searches monthly on a global basis, is nothing for me to get concerned about for someone potentially stalking my anonymous user name. Nor, is less than 10 monthly global searches on the exact phrase "autistics should be killed".

The auto-complete suggestion is giving people the impression that this is the way society thinks, when it is mostly just a string of algorithm of random key word results used most often in discussion by people in the autism community in millions of results of text in websites.

There is actual malicious intent in hate speech in the results of some of the other cases with differences in people like "being fat" with more substantial actual searches like 140 per month globally, per the keyword tool, as detailed in my previous post, but little to none for the word autistics and virtually none for people first disability language such as "people with autism should", because the majority of those people that use people first disability language are not even discussing the potential of extermination or killing, in a significant way on the internet, per auto-completion suggestions or actual text results It is almost entirely an autism community specific phenomenon, per evidence of actual google search results.

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These hate-filled bastards will have to answer to their maker someday and their "boys will be boys" excuse won't work the way it does on their mommies and daddies. For that reason alone, I'd like to hope there is a God just so I can see them pay for their ignorance and immaturity.

so all this hate retoric against autistics was simply autistic discusing a few murders of autistic and that NT's were not making internet posts wishing death on autistic.have i unerstood this correctly

Because it promotes hate towards autistic people. Someone just looking for information on autism might see the autofill results first thing and therefore get a unjustifiably bad first impression about autistics.

Yes, essentially you do understand it correctly, but the discussion of those few murders number in hundreds of thousands of Google results mostly attributable to the autism community. There is also the issue of Adam Lanza that has propagated results, specific to Aspergers, per the key words killing and die, but it is more specific to the autism community where the term autistics was used to describe this issue as this disability first language is more often used than the questions of "did this person have Asperger's" or "was the condition of Asperger's associated with the offense." in general population discussion.

All one has to do is type in the exact pejorative phrases discussed in this topic by putting quotes before and after the phrases, in a google search, to see that it is the autism community that is discussing this issue in the majority of the cases, and only a small number of comments of malicious intent are actually recorded in the actual search results.

And the keyword tool that I linked to provides the empirical results that there are only a relatively few people in the entire world actually making these "exact phrase" searches into google for these pejorative phrases identified in this discussion.

Next month or after that might not be the case, but the reason for that if that happens is pretty obvious, and can be empirically measured in even just this one discussion of rhetorical statements associated with the exact quoted pejorative phrases, in actual internet text.

If someone doesn't raise the red flag enough this issue will potentially become another myth in the autism community that will be propagated resulting in the potential inspiration of fear in people in the autism community that is not fully warranted. It really is not going to help people on the spectrum to think that society as a whole hates them and wants to see them be killed, when there are people in society that are mean with actual malicious intent that might be described as the bad apples in society, but far from representative of the entirety of society, that has a sense of humanity in them for people who are different, where they don't think they should be killed for being different.