Here we go again--Asperger's linked with violence

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The media LOVES to trot out Asperger's and violence...

...and I do believe that sometimes they ARE linked.

The problem is that our wonderful media can't seem to remember that correlation does not imply causation.

Thus, they never think to ask WHY.

According to the latest news, Lanza was diagnosed in 2005. Right before the landmark shift from "horrible foul people incapable of empathy" to "different" began. Want to bet he caught the absolute WORST of "You are a monster," "You will learn to 'be normal' at any cost," and the rest of it??

Now-- having Asperger's isn't going to make you kill. But-- that kind of treatment??

Oh, God. That kind of pressure and beat-down could make a killer out of ANYONE.

HO-LEE CRAP.

You're right they came out with the DAs report today that said that he was had "serious" mental health problems which that said was Aspergers and severe Anxiety which caused him to go on the killing spree. In my opinion his mother and father didn't do enough for him and let him become more isolated and obsessed with killing.

I think that Asperger's and violence may have a slight correlation, but there is one thing that's overlooked in that simple sentence. On one hand, violence involving Asperger's is unintentional but easily noticed since people already perceive said person as "weird" (at least, oftentimes.) On the other hand, NT violence is often intentional and sneaky, and so it may very well go unnoticed, not hurting their reputation whatsoever. It is often the more dangerous form of violence, but it is not as frowned upon as violence involving AS (at least on the surface).

Yeah, the reason why some people with Asperger's commit violent crimes is the same as the reason why there are so many black people in prison. All the people who say that Asperger's causes violence might as well be saying that being black causes violence, thus they are no better than racists. Most of the same people would also criticize the Nazi persecution of the Jews, yet seem cognitively dissonant to the fact that they're the type of f***in' s***boots who keep the legacy of the Nazis alive through their ignorant, degenerate, bigoted attitudes. If they're so keen on preserving the Nazi legacy, maybe they don't deserve any better than what the Nazis did to the Jews. People who would be willing to deny basic human rights to others deserve no human rights themselves. I hope they will someday get to see the fate they deserve, but I won't be the one to give it to them, because I am better than them.

Whether you're willing to accept it or not; That applies to literally every person on the planet, having an ASD has nothing to do with it.

I apologize for my automatic jump to conclusions (i.e: Nazis). I am aware that the order of events that I listed probably won't go exactly into that order. However, you do realize that the way society perceives us isn't exactly comforting. Sue, while we may have a few outburst, most of the time it certainly isn't because we're trying to hurt anyone, or incite any violence. From my experience, I usually have an emotional meltdown due to fear, or confusion. Unfortunately, most people will be instinctually threatened by such a high level of fear, automatically sorting it into something "bad", and since I was associated with the display of emotion, I would be sorted into that category as well. It's already happened to me numerous times, as well as others that I know who are in the spectrum. Due to my observations, because of our issues when it comes to our predominantly NT society, and since our natural ways of coping with it comes off as highly discomforting to most people, persons proven to be in the autism spectrum will be mentally sorted into a "bad" category (psychopaths, delinquents, whiny brats, etc.) upon first observations. (Nonetheless, this is only based off of my observations on people that I personally know, and thus could be disproved at any time. If I had a wider array of subjects to observe that I don't have a connection to, then I would do so.) Thus, if my theory proves to be true, autism as a whole would be represented in a bad light by most social communications, one of which is the media. Since this is already happening in the media, then my theory has a possibility of being correct. And, if autistic people are more likely to be thought of as intrinsically bad, as opposed to normal, or good, then sooner or later, when pushed, people will begin to act on their opinions. Humans are creatures of instinct and opinions, after all, and as much as we don't like it, our primitive side is more prevalent in our daily lives than we'd like to think.

Again, my observations are in no way perfect, and if you disagree with any of my statements, then please, tell me your point of view.

I made a thread calleb Project Media. It's very simple. I'll quote the thread [post all responses in the thread]:

Man, I hope 4chan DOES get on our side.

Dude, I see where you're coming from, but-- You've been brainwashed. You've been taught to see yourself as a potential psychopath, a lesser human being, and the rest of it.

Been there, done that, still in therapy digging my way out of it.

Come back from that road-- it isn't a good place. It's common enough for PEOPLE to lash out, often in a very chilling fashion. The difference between us and them?? Pretty small-- they use social connectedness to keep themselves from tripping over a very bad edge; we use moral reasoning (or something similar).

I've BEEN there. When I was 14, convinced I was about half a degree off dying dogshit and deserved no better-- Well, suffice it to say that I was a school shooter waiting to happen.

So what happened?? Did I get some therapy?? Nope-- not for years. Did I get some antipsychotics?? Nope-- that would be how I ended up crazy the next time. What happened?? I moved. I ended up in a place where they left me the hell alone, let me be, even found a few people that told me I had some intrinsic worth as a human being.

A couple of teachers, a couple of kids. A father that half-assin' understood.

And those few were enough. A lifeline doesn't have to be a chain-- a thread can be enough.

And so a potentially violent 14-year-old turned into a sad, frustrated 15-year-old, turned into a confused, lonely 16-year-old, turned into a 17-year-old who took some chances, turned into a very frightened 18-year-old, turned into a 19-year-old holding onto hope by the fingernails, turned into a 20-year-old with the beginnings of a life, a reason to hope...

...and the only time I've been close to killing since was on meds, in therapy, being told that I must of necessity be unacceptable, violent, evil, blah-blah-blah.

I'm very, very sorry for you. I'm heartbroken, and TERRIFIED, for the ASD kids and young adults (and regular adults too, for that matter) who have to live in Adam Lanza's wake. It's cruel, and sad, and unnecessary. It's brainwashing-- and it's DANGEROUS.

With a few less people who loved me (or just left me be), and a few more people telling me I was a monster...

...I WOULD HAVE BEEN. It was a near thing. Much nearer than I'd like to think about--

I don't know how close it was when I was a teenager. It felt close at the time, but that was a long time ago. When I was an adult, hearing the "You Are A Monster" message everywhere?? It was EXTREMELY close. I was standing on a razor's edge-- and what pulled me back was having the dumb luck to finally run into a bunch of qualified people who told me, once again, that I was just a person.

That was a MUCH closer pass than I want to contemplate, sitting here in my warm house cuddling my little girls and watching it snow. AND IT WAS BROUGHT ON ENTIRELY BY THAT PREVAILING ATTITUDE.

Kind of implies that, whether I want to think about it or not, it's time. For ALL of us ("us" as in humans), it's time to think about it. Time to TALK about it. Time to DO something about it. Something SANE, for a change, instead of something stupid and reactionary that makes a good sound byte.

Past time.

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The neurotypics have gotten worse... God save the autism.

That's what scares me. TO DEATH.

IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE THIS WAY!! !!

There's still time-- but someone needs to do something. It's not "God save us."

It's US SAVE US.

There's a little story. It goes like this: A good man walks down a city street. In the alleyway, he sees homeless people wrapped up in newspapers. On the corner, he sees two teenage prostitutes. Two blocks down, he sees drug dealers and muggings.

"God!" he says. "God! You have to DO SOMETHING about this!"

God replies. God says, "My child, I did do something about this. I made YOU."

I can't do it alone. I am one voice.

But there are a lot of us. Brain imaging scans say we have more cerebral cortex than "normal" people. That's the "thinking part," the bit of brain that makes humans human. FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, LET'S USE IT!! !!

We have a place in society-- let's man up and FILL IT.

We have a purpose-- let's get up and SERVE IT.

We have a job to do-- let's stop sobbing and DO IT.

There's still time. But the time is now.

+9

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt245837.html

I am as paranoid as anyone. When the Iowa town members supported the bullies I wondered if that would have happened pre Sandy Hook. I have written numerous posts about how more aspie unfriendly the world is becoming. That being said there is a lot of people believing things are worse then they are. I have read numerous comments sections to articles about the report and I have yet to see a call to separate us or kill us off. You have your usual it's a government plot comments. A lot of comments decrying giving drugs to kids for everything (even though Lanza refused his meds) . A lot of comments about his mother and just plain stupid stuff. In the coverage Aspergers is briefly mentioned but despite the report showing that Lanza was a textbook case of Aspergers the media is not linking the "weird traits" to Aspergers so ignorance is helping us for once. Even when the shooting first happened while Aspergers was mentioned gun control was by far the dominant theme of the coverage. Regardless of the merits of the issue there is a lesson to learned from the gun control debate in the wake of Sandy Hook. We think the media is more powerful then it really is. Despite daily passionate, emotional pro gun control coverage for the most part the gun laws remain the same.

The reality is bad enough. Making things worse then it really is makes for people either give up or react badly out of panic.

Very true. I guess that we have been panicking, at least a little bit. In fact, if we were to show the so called "elites" that we don't care about their stupidness, and just call out the self-important dummies on their pitiful "plans", then they probably wouldn't have too much of an impact. As long as we start panicking about some invincible, malevolent, omniscient being taking over the world, while at the same time doing absolutely nothing to investigate the situation, or to stop it, then that big, scary monster will become a reality. All we have to do is keep a close eye on the controlling idiots, and that'll be the only thing that the mysterious "they" will be: a pack of annoying, pathetic worms.

PS: By we, I don't just mean autistic people, I mean everyone. One thing that's really become a problem is how most autistic communities isolate themselves from NT's, when our species is predominantly neurotypical. How are we supposed to learn to co-exist and work together if we never speak to each other?

I think the better question is: "how are we supposed to co-exist with a society that sees fit to only condemn us as a whole, based on nothing more than speculation and lies?" I think that's the heart of the problem right now, because people think of asperger's or autism, and they think "dangerous" because of the media's lies. The sad part is, most people automatically buy into that crap without a second thought, with absolutely no intention of looking it up, or asking a professional (or even someone with the condition(s)) what the facts are. In fact, that's why this topic of concern even exists, because it's actually happening. I don't think we're overreacting at all, I think the media and general public are the ones doing that, the difference is, when the general public overreacts to something or someone, it's always demonizing to the minority, but when we overreact, people laugh it off and forget about it. There's no consequences when the minority overreacts because it's a minority thing and nobody takes it seriously, but there are always consequences when the general public does, and they're always affecting the minority. That's why it's such a big deal, because it's damaging to our image as a whole as well as individuals.

Despite the name of this website and despite what it feels many times this is not the wrong planet but our planet. We were not dropped here by spaceship, we are here because our parents many of who are NT had sex