Sperm donor was AS

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yeah, except the other people that contribute to the gene pool have a right to choose whether they want to reproduce with us, just like we have a choice if we want to reproduce with NTs or with other people on the spectrum. taking people's choice away by not informing them of important information (like an inheritable developmental disorder) about those they reproduce with--definitely morally wrong. you don't have the right to lie to people so they will reproduce with you. that's insane.

The commoditization of reproduction creates an immense ethical minefield. We're moving to a point where people feel entitled to reproduce on their own and to create a human being in their own image.

Directly lying about it might be wrong, but you do not owe them a disclosure. I don't think any contract requiring that disclosure should be enforceable because that require my tax dollars to be spent on enforcing these practices.

Accept it, you're an ass. I don't know if that is genetic. Your actions were highly immoral, unethical, stupid, arrogant and dishonest. You don't have a need to spread your genes, that's ridiculous. You should be ashamed of yourself.

No, he's actually right, it is discrimination. It can't be immoral because for starters, there was no action to judge moral or immoral. You don't have to disclose that you're left handed, there's no requirement to do that. The genes aren't 'diseased' because they came from a left handed person, or an AS person, blue eyes or whatever other variation, that's nonsense. There's no need to inform them of your neurology, you don't have to say to them "Oh, by the way, I'm neurotypical". However, the act of taking a entire set of genes and discarding them based on ones prejudice, that is immoral. It's the same old "our blood is pure" crap.

Bull f*****g s**t. There was no discrimination because he didn't give anyone the chance to discriminate. He misrepresented himself and he knows it because he wanted to sneak his genetic material into some unsuspecting woman. Autism is no joke, we wouldn't be here on a damn support forum if it were a perfectly normal condition. If I knew where he lived, I would find every sperm bank in town and warn them about it. It's different if you marry someone and they know who you are. Look, maybe he doesn't realize right from wrong, he takes from the government and lives with his parents, maybe he's not very experienced. But this is seriously unethical and possibly illegal.

I've read about people how some people, through pre-implantation genetic diagnosis, pick embryos that share their disability (short stature or deafness). If one considers that wrong but choosing a baby that non-disabled ok, that's called ableism

It's fine if a woman decides to choose sperm from an AS donor, but she isn't getting that choice with this guy, since he doesn't tell the sperm bank about it.

It scares them. The thought of AS being passed on. To them autism is something scary and something bad, something that isn't allowed to be. Virtually none of these women will allow it, they all would go for NT. And even if the women were to allow it, the banks still wouldn't for eugenic reasons. Because my genes are not desired. And that is discrimination the same way some sperm banks refuse gay people.



There was discrimination because they want to know if your family has a history of mental illness... which is when you are supposed to disclose a thing like autism. Now I may have AS, but I'm not 'mentally ill' that's BS. I chose not to tell them about my diagnosis for this reason. If I had been entirely honest I would have been refused, my genes would have been refused to be passed on because NT society is eugenicist to it's core. And I am not playing by the rules of those who wish to exterminate me, who wish to wipe me out the genepool for 'not being the norm'. Oh, hell no!

If they ask and you lie, then that's unethical. If, however, they don't ask, I don't see why anyone is obliged to volunteer the information.

If they ask about mental illness... well, that's a gray (and also grey) case. Is aspergers a mental illness? I say no, so if I'm asked if I'm mentally ill, I will reply no. If I'm asked if I have aspergers, I'll say yes.

Actually some might argue that your startling lack of empathy for others is probably a sign of mental illness ASIDE from your purported aspergers.

Autism is a spectrum. Just because you have been diagnosed with aspergers, which is autism in a mild form, doesn't mean that is what sort of child you will produce. You might produce someone very low functioning who might end up having a very low quality of life. There are other factors that seem to play in that determine high functioning vs low functioning as well as severity of autism.

Actually I've read all of your posts and it's not clear to me whether you actually cared to reproduce at all. As in: it doesn?t REALLY seem to be your primary motive. It seems more like you are trying to "teach those dirty NT's a lesson" by launching your ASD genetic assault on unsuspecting parents. You perceive some sort of discrimination or hatred towards you and your response seems to be ?I?ll show them? MWahahaha?? However, using a living breathing person as a pawn and subjecting that person to potential suffering for their entire life time just to make a point is really really wrong. REALLY wrong. But this is exactly what you have done with your own offspring. These parents are likely especially ill equipped to handle a differently abled child. As someone above pointed out, they were at a sperm bank, after all, where people feel pretty safe in selecting for certain traits. People who go to those places are paying a high price for one thing, and one thing only ? security. If all they wanted was a random injection that can be done rather easily with a turkey baster and an anonymous craigslist deal. But they didn?t. Instead they?re paying top dollar to get the genetics that they want. They COULD end up with an ASD child anyway, but you just increased the chances from about 1% to probably a double digit percent, at least.

Thank you for furthering the perception that people with ASD are a-holes with no empathy who will lie, hurt people, and do what we please just because we feel like it or feel like it?s the right thing to do. After all, I guess there hasn?t been enough bad press lately, might as well make more. It?s only a matter of time before you get caught, and I?m sure you will if you aren?t a troll, I mean posting about your misdeeds on an internet forum is utter stupidity unless you WANTED to get caught. There are a fair number of people out there who could figure out your IP address and location pretty easily?

I do not lack empathy! I am very empathetic and caring for those who care for me and my rights in a similar way. Those who wish to see me exterminated and wish to remove my genes from the human genepool through eugenicist practices, I have no empathy for. Jesus said turn the other cheek but I find myself unable to do so... maybe because I have a strong sense of (personal) justice?



It is true that there are risks involved, but the chance of having a NT child this way is bigger then the chance of having one on the spectrum. The chance of it being only mildly autistic is also a lot bigger then it being severely handicapped, since I am young and healthy. Autism is usually associated with 40+ parents, so there's a bigger chance of a child developing autism with an old 42 year old donor then with me as a young, healthy donor.

This is part of Aspergers, the tendency to take things too literally. Even though AS is not a mental illness, I'm sure they would want to know about it. You could say, "Look, it's not a mental illness, but I'm on the autistic spectrum, maybe women would want to know.". That way you are being honest, and hell, some women might desire that. Otherwise, you are being a jerk.

I don't think there would be a single woman who, if she hears a donor is somewhere on the autistic spectrum, would choose that donor over a similar looking donor who is NT. Not even one. That is, assuming the sperm bank itself even allows me to donate which I very much doubt. Out of practical reasons, therefore, I found myself forced to omit some details. Or else I would not have been allowed to donate my sperm. I must have come across normal enough to them not to raise any red flags.

Last edited by Charloz on 04 Sep 2014, 12:00 pm, edited 1 time in total.

I'd have to see the exact wording of the paperwork before deciding whether I think it's immoral, but it pales in comparison to the playing God that's going on here.

So because you assume that consent would not be forthcoming, you were dishonest in order to get what you want. That's not too different from rape.

At the very least, it's a breach of contract, and you could be sued for child support and damages.



Also, because many of us are married or have children, there are some women for whom this isn't a problem.

It's not about "allowing" you to spread your genes, it's about consent. Yes it's immoral in the eyes of people on the spectrum.