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07 Dec 2015, 8:50 pm

There's nothing wrong with Autism Speaks, what their goals are or what they do. Autism is a disability and should be treated as such. You wouldn't call it "eugenics" to try and cure blindness. You wouldn't call it "hate" to mend someone's broken spine.



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07 Dec 2015, 11:21 pm

There is no cure for autism as autism itself is simply a clumsy definition for world that has no interest in defining itself and its values.

There will always be people through no fault of their own, simply upbringing and heredity find themself losers in the game of life. A game created by neurotypicals who thrive playing this game and benefit from keeping its rules vague and indistinct.


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08 Dec 2015, 1:39 pm

Dennis Prichard wrote:
There will always be people through no fault of their own, simply upbringing and heredity find themself losers in the game of life.

Yes, that's why abortion needs to be a basic human right, and we need to have access to more advanced of prenatal testing for disabilities like blindness, multiple sclerosis, and autism.



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08 Dec 2015, 1:43 pm

Barchan wrote:
Dennis Prichard wrote:
There will always be people through no fault of their own, simply upbringing and heredity find themself losers in the game of life.
Yes, that's why abortion needs to be a basic human right, and we need to have access to more advanced of prenatal testing for disabilities like blindness, multiple sclerosis, and autism.
There are people who have no genetic defect, mental aberration, or physical deformity, and who find themselves on the "wrong side of the tracks" for no other reason than random events catching them unprepared.

Are you saying that those people should be "aborted"?


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08 Dec 2015, 1:51 pm

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I've actually talked to someone there and was going to do a story on them. I talked to more than just someone who answered the phone. They aren't terrible and they aren't trying to do what you think they are trying to do. Not at all.

There is nothing wrong with Autism Speaks. They do not want to force a cure, but they do want to find one and make it available. Many people with autism want one and parents of kids who are non verbal and barely communicate would LOVE a way to help their child be more able to communicate and function and have less symptoms. They aren't talking about doing away with aspies. It's not eugenics, it's not forced anything.

Before you jump on the paranoia bandwagon, do actual research for yourself. More than just reading crap on the internet. I have autism and I'm totally fine with Autism Speaks. I've done my due diligence. Have you?


So you think it's okay for a mother of an autistic child to tell Autism Speaks that she wanted to drive both the child and herself off a bridge? And the only reason she said she didn't was because she also had a "normal" kid. And she said this right in front of her autistic child!

I have also seen the "I am Autism" video and it is just plain evil. Anyone who believes that this hate group is perfectly fine is my enemy forever. Good-BYE. :x





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08 Dec 2015, 1:56 pm

Fnord wrote:
There are people who have no genetic defect, mental aberration, or physical deformity, and who find themselves on the "wrong side of the tracks" for no other reason than random events catching them unprepared.

Are you saying that those people should be "aborted"?


I'm not saying anyone "should" be aborted, I'm saying it should be a right. And people should have the ability to make an educated choice in exercising this right.



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08 Dec 2015, 3:25 pm

Barchan wrote:
Dennis Prichard wrote:
There will always be people through no fault of their own, simply upbringing and heredity find themself losers in the game of life.

Yes, that's why abortion needs to be a basic human right, and we need to have access to more advanced of prenatal testing for disabilities like blindness, multiple sclerosis, and autism.


There is no conclusive evidence for a genetic cause of any of those conditions. There are some genes implicated in the risk of developing them, but no definitive cause. AFAIK there are 300+ genes that have been correlated with an increased risk of developing autism, but correlation is not causation.



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08 Dec 2015, 7:48 pm

I think the best thing for newbies would be to make that video a sticky post. It is a nasty piece of work.



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16 Dec 2015, 3:23 pm

Yes, I believe that people have a right to get abortions.

I think it's kind of a race. Between increased genetic information on one hand, and increased services to families, increased accurate information about the spectrum, increased examples of the many, many ways persons on the spectrum can have worthwhile and good lives and can contribute to broader society, etc, etc, etc, on the other hand.



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17 Dec 2015, 11:27 am

Saying autism is a disability and should be treated as such is a huge stretch. I think autism comes with many special gifts & abilities, and there are disabilities and those disabilities should be given sensitivities, assistance, and so-forth. But saying that autism is something to be cured is very whacky; and blindness is such a vast field. There are many kinds of blindness, and many causes; trying to find a "cure" typically involves transplanting organs or reconnecting tissues that have been disconnected, and it is possible because the eyes are singular, containable organs. Autism, on the other hand, is like skin color; it runs deep and there are neurological & nervous symptoms that come with.

What it needs is sensitivity, understanding, and help—not a cure. I don't think something so deep and permeating has a cure, anymore than you are going to change one from being blood type A to blood type O.

I think autistic individuals are meant to contribute to society in varying ways with knowledge & wisdom that transcends the social paradigm; the problem is that the social paradigms are so rigidly attached to economic & capital agendas that autistic individuals are seen as inconveniences & threats—perhaps delusional—rather than transcendent sources of inspiration.



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17 Dec 2015, 11:34 am

antago wrote:
Saying autism is a disability and should be treated as such is a huge stretch. I think autism comes with many special gifts & abilities, and there are disabilities and those disabilities should be given sensitivities, assistance, and so-forth. But saying that autism is something to be cured is very whacky; and blindness is such a vast field. There are many kinds of blindness, and many causes; trying to find a "cure" typically involves transplanting organs or reconnecting tissues that have been disconnected, and it is possible because the eyes are singular, containable organs. Autism, on the other hand, is like skin color; it runs deep and there are neurological & nervous symptoms that come with.

What it needs is sensitivity, understanding, and help—not a cure. I don't think something so deep and permeating has a cure, anymore than you are going to change one from being blood type A to blood type O.

I think autistic individuals are meant to contribute to society in varying ways with knowledge & wisdom that transcends the social paradigm; the problem is that the social paradigms are so rigidly attached to economic & capital agendas that autistic individuals are seen as inconveniences & threats—perhaps delusional—rather than transcendent sources of inspiration.

I wholeheartedly agree, well said.