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22 Nov 2016, 9:53 pm

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This may sound odd, but I've met other aspies with the same issue.

I have a completely lack of COGNITIVE empathy, which is knowing how a person feels, but I have compassionate and emotional empathy (especially emotional).

However, I tend to have empathy in situations when many NTs wouldn't, but I don't empathy in situations where NTs do. For example, most NTs wouldn't have empathy for a child having a tantrum because the swimming pool is closed, but I would have empathy for the child. However, An NT may show empathy for the parent of the child, while I probably would struggle with this.

Understand what I mean?



PS: On Simon Baron-Cohen's test, I got an average score on empathy, but a very low score on systematizing.


Average EQ score...low SQ...might be time to reconsider......


Because of one test? Especially based one based on Autistic presentration in boys.


Yes, as my sig says I'm a cisgender girl. And I have most of the symptoms of ASD, except for the math one. And my score was skewed towards average because I lack cognitive empathy but have more emotional empathy than NTs do on average. I scored low on the Mind in the Eyes test. My score on most autism tests is borderline or in the "low, but autistic" range, (except for the rdnos, but I don't know what's going on there).


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23 Nov 2016, 5:35 am

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Just asking but ASPartOfMe did you take the test?


I might have taken the online version. On occassion I take online tests, I do not take them seriously although they do usually suggest Aspergers I forget about them as soon as I go on to the next thing.

I did take the Social Responsiveness Scale test as part of my diagnosis and it indicated moderate to severe Aspergers.


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23 Nov 2016, 5:48 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
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Just asking but ASPartOfMe did you take the test?


I might have taken the online version. On occassion I take online tests, I do not take them seriously although they do usually suggest Aspergers I forget about them as soon as I go on to the next thing.

I did take the Social Responsiveness Scale test as part of my diagnosis and it indicated moderate to severe Aspergers.
Yeah I can see that in your description. I guess online tests aren't that important or reliable. The thing about the EQ test is that it requires a level of self awareness, and if you don't have that you can end up with a score that is inflated despite the truth being the opposite.

I guess for me the assumption of lacking empathy has frustrated me for a long time.



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24 Nov 2016, 6:53 am

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However, contrary to the prevalent belief that people with ASD lack empathy, in fact people with ASD are capable of empathizing with the minds of others if those others are people with ASD.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/278 ... t=Abstract


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25 Nov 2016, 12:52 am

Lack of empathy is a typical feature of many neurological disorders like Schizophrenia, Bipolar during manic phases among some, alcohol induced brain damage, and more. Admitting this symptom is just saying we play by the same rules.
This does not mean a lack of conscience or sympathy, we aren't sociopaths. But we are like the other neurological disorders.


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25 Nov 2016, 12:59 am

johnnyh wrote:
Lack of empathy is a typical feature of many neurological disorders like Schizophrenia, Bipolar during manic phases among some, alcohol induced brain damage, and more. Admitting this symptom is just saying we play by the same rules.
This does not mean a lack of conscience or sympathy, we aren't sociopaths. But we are like the other neurological disorders.
To an extent that may be the case. But it is also important for Autistic people not to doubt the potential that they have in this area and that we are not all effected by a bad lack of empathy. I myself have learned overtime to listen to social cues, I believe that has helped me empathize.



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25 Nov 2016, 1:00 am

Shahunshah wrote:
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Lack of empathy is a typical feature of many neurological disorders like Schizophrenia, Bipolar during manic phases among some, alcohol induced brain damage, and more. Admitting this symptom is just saying we play by the same rules.
This does not mean a lack of conscience or sympathy, we aren't sociopaths. But we are like the other neurological disorders.
To an extent that may be the case. But it is also important for Autistic people not to doubt the potential that they have in this area and that we are not all effected by a bad lack of empathy. I myself have learned overtime to listen to social cues, I believe that has helped me empathize.


Does that go for other neurological conditions?


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25 Nov 2016, 1:03 am

johnnyh wrote:
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Lack of empathy is a typical feature of many neurological disorders like Schizophrenia, Bipolar during manic phases among some, alcohol induced brain damage, and more. Admitting this symptom is just saying we play by the same rules.
This does not mean a lack of conscience or sympathy, we aren't sociopaths. But we are like the other neurological disorders.
To an extent that may be the case. But it is also important for Autistic people not to doubt the potential that they have in this area and that we are not all effected by a bad lack of empathy. I myself have learned overtime to listen to social cues, I believe that has helped me empathize.


Does that go for other neurological conditions?
Depends, for many individuals yes.