Would a cure to Autism be left or right wing idea?
The way that any condition is "situated" can be looked with more clarity by using slightly more sophisticated frameworks (rather than simplistic binary conceptions) developed by "philosophy of science" discipline.
The idea of cure, for example, has many dimensions, not two. There is the descriptive dimension, which arises from positivistic science (ie observational methods). There is the explanatory dimension, which arises from claims and assumptions. There is the evaluative dimension, which determines what those with more power deem the most important. There is the social/cultural dimension which is concerned with maintaining cultural status quos and ascribing value or not to proposed changes.
^ This, because of brevity constraints, is a simplistic snapshot itself, however what the philosophy of science has conclusively demonstrated is that paradigms, rather than political parties, are the core determinants of which ideas are adopted and which are discarded in science, and a number of members here will have heard of Thomas Kuhn's now dated but landmark volume on how paradigms rule scientific ideas and the way that only some findings and ideas become accepted, promoted and believed by both science, scientists and culture.
It won't break down across party lines. There are no parties, not really, not deep down below all the rhetoric. The parties are a phenomenon manifest of human self-categorization processes; A pair of oft-coopted high-visibility juxtaposed identities onto which any commonly occurring problem that has been reduced to a sufficiently binary choice can be mapped. Ultimately both parties reflect the massified desires of the people that comprise them, which are the desires of neurotypicals on all sides.
It won't come down to science either, for science is owned by the majority and is only used to further their aggregate desires. There is an infinity of science but they've only recorded a *useful* sliver of it. One need only look at the way they begrudge the modification of economic theory to account for their own irrationality to see how little they care for science itself when it says things they don't like.
The desires of the majority move the world. Always have, always will. It's how majorities work in hierarchical social species that are fundamentally willing to use coercive force against each other. The whole bit about how history is written by the victors isn't an anecdotal truth, it's a meaningful solution to the interpersonal dynamics that form the fabric of human societies.
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In my experiences, those on the right have been more accepting while those on the left have supported the idea of eugenics; but, in the end, those are only those I've talked to, and I don't see it as a left/right issue. I see it as people just being people, as to whether or not they're accepting of someone with a differing personality.
Also, on a side note, I've grown up outside the city, but did live a couple years in a city and the atmosphere is so different. Outside the city, I've heard of and experienced more tolerance and acceptance than I would within the urban jungle (which, not trying to offend anyone, is a place full of very rude, impatient, and overall negative people). That's just my experience though.
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Well, looking at who proposes cures for those born different -- that is inherently the right-wing, such as a "cure" for the lgbtq community. I've never heard of a "get rid of those born different" cure from the left, personally.
Also, over my time on twitter, right-wingers have continuously shown mock and derision for people with autism. Just search on twitter: "autistic screeches Trump." If they only had a low view and opinion of the left, they wouldn't need to include autism in any way, shape, or form. Instead, however, they single autism out specifically. However, many on the right just seek to be anti political correct for "edge lord" sake which makes it hard to determine what their actual views are.
In the end, though, neither since as the top stated the right's seeking to "cure" others is different since the views of same-sex attraction and autism is different.
Also, over my time on twitter, right-wingers have continuously shown mock and derision for people with autism. Just search on twitter: "autistic screeches Trump." If they only had a low view and opinion of the left, they wouldn't need to include autism in any way, shape, or form. Instead, however, they single autism out specifically. However, many on the right just seek to be anti political correct for "edge lord" sake which makes it hard to determine what their actual views are.
In the end, though, neither since as the top stated the right's seeking to "cure" others is different since the views of same-sex attraction and autism is different.
Back in the age of "curing" homosexuality (conversion therapy), neither the democrats nor republicans opposed it.
LGBT rights in general would be ignored by parties until the right-wing libertarian party emerged, being the first party to do so and the oldest party to do so, even despite negative public reception.
In the present day, neither party supports conversion therapy as that has been long disproved (there is a source that claims the RNC supported it in 2016, but that is not confirmed, and was not on the official platform documentation, but I go based on actions from state government for this to give benefit of the doubt, like the republican governor of Nevada who banned conversion therapy).
In regard to anti-vaccine can also be found to not be polarized like some of you think it to be, and I almost certain the same is with Autism, that people aren't polarized on believing it to be caused by vaccines (of which, people that think Autism is from vaccinations are of a very small number with a very loud voice).
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1. Libertarianism (not "far right" libertarianism ("far right" in the states would apply to Nazis, KKK, etc groups) is actually considered to be neither left nor right, this has also led to a schism within the libertarian party with some labeling themselves "left libertarian" and "right libertarian." Thus, it would be more apt here to say libertarianism is more socially liberal (left) (social conservatives (right) don't want social change), economically conservative (right). Everything else stated is accurate.
2. In the present day, conversion "therapy" or rather torture is banned from many (but sadly not all) Union states (which largely vote democrat), but are still alive and well unfortunately in all of the Confederate states (which largely vote Republican) - as well as in the states that were neither Union nor Confederate.
http://www.lgbtmap.org/equality-maps/conversion_therapy
3. While parties were never polled on conversion therapy, Texas' GOP platform frighteningly endorses it in this year's platform.
https://www.advocate.com/politics/2018/6/20/texas-gop-endorses-ex-gay-therapy-hate-crimes-law-repeal-marriage-reversal
The closest is a 2017 PEW poll on whether or not one should accept homosexuality. Only 54% of Republican/leaning Republican say homosexuals should be accepted, whereas 83% of Democrats stated that they should be:
http://www.people-press.org/2017/10/05/5-homosexuality-gender-and-religion/5_1-8/
It is also important to note that despite how disturbing knowing this is, these centers are set up by many fundamentalist religious groups. Most of them are Christian based with ties to Evangelicalism, Mormonism, and Jehovah's Witnesses while others are tied to Orthodox Judaism and maybe other religions (but haven't heard of centers tied to other religions). It is important to note that Christianity is the over-encompassing term, while Catholicism is a branch and doesn't fund these centers (at least to my knowledge).
The first and largest of which is Love In Action (LIA) (now known as Restoration Path) which is Christian based.
http://restorationpath.org/
4. Due to the right's bigoted views in LGBTQ regards deriving from religion - it's hard to determine what their views on a cure for autism would be, since the view of a cure is more "religious" than secular based.
5. Vaxxers are bipartisan.
2. In the present day, conversion "therapy" or rather torture is banned from the Union states (which largely vote democrat), but are still alive and well unfortunately in the Confederate states (which largely vote Republican) - as well as in the states that were neither Union nor Confederate.
http://www.lgbtmap.org/equality-maps/conversion_therapy
3. While Republicans were never polled on conversion therapy, Texas' GOP platform frighteningly endorses it in this year's platform.
https://www.advocate.com/politics/2018/6/20/texas-gop-endorses-ex-gay-therapy-hate-crimes-law-repeal-marriage-reversal
While there's never been a poll to see how much support or lack of support there is for conversion/torture centers - in 2017 there was a PEW poll on whether or not one should accept homosexuality. Only 54% of Republican/leaning Republican say homosexuals should be accepted, whereas 83% of Democrats stated that they should be:
http://www.people-press.org/2017/10/05/5-homosexuality-gender-and-religion/5_1-8/
It is also important to note that despite how disturbing know this is, these centers are set up by many fundamentalist religious groups. Most of them are Christian based with ties to Evangelicalism, Mormonism, and Jehovah's Witnesses while others are tied to Orthodox Judaism and maybe other religions (but haven't heard of centers tied to other religions). It is important to note that Christianity is the over-encompassing term, while Catholicism is a branch and doesn't fund these centers (at least to my knowledge).
The first and largest of which is Love In Action (LIA) which is Christian based.
4. Vaxxers are bipartisan.
1. Depends; I was involved with Houston, and a little bit with D.C. area, libertarian think tanks. We considered ourselves right-wing because we typically go by a collectivism - individualism sort of spectrum. Makes things easier. Socioeconomic liberty on the right and socioeconomic collectivism on the left. But what you said is also correct. Just depends on person.
2. Right, and thankfully outlawing it has been picking up on both sides, although slower in the GOP. In that regard, I think priorities are a reason why, since the GOP prioritizes the economy while the Democratic Party prioritizes social issues.
MD, NJ, NM, NV, IL, NH had or have republican governors that signed bans into law, with big bipartisan backing. Just a matter of time until the great plains and Dixie states ban it, IMO.
3. Yeah, I'm aware of that and it sucks. As far as I know Texas is the only state that really has a firm position being for it, but I think it's also only a matter of time until it's banned there too. I feel like a good movement is going. Originally I wrote a lot, but in short: I agree with what you've written, except about fundamentalist Christianity since at its core, it's acceptance of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, of whom loves us all and wants us to love one another; rather, I feel like harsh judgement done by Christians on people based on sexual preferences, or anything really, goes against what Christianity is actually about. Even then, I have high hopes for the future and bet that 54% will turn into 70, if not 80%, in a short time span. Out with the old and in with the new, right?
For the most part though, I do agree.
Also, I think there's a future of acceptance of ASD and LGBT+, especially with the younger generations.
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Didn't see the new updated post.
4. I actually do disagree partly on this point, since the younger generation of conservatives are more socially liberal than boomers, but probably not as much as millennials. Still, Generation Z looks to be solid.
https://kutv.com/news/nation-world/stud ... st-or-lgbt
Not that the atheist part is inherently good, but people follow what they want and nothing I can really do except be an example.
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2. There, sadly, it's more Southern Strategy than economics. If it was economic priority, support among Republicans would be higher than 54%. Trump is the Southern Strategy Frankenstein - GOP open attacks on minorities have noticeably increased (for example, having literal Nazis running for office) as both parties have become increasingly partisan. This move by the GOP, however, is actually suicidal because younger generations are more socially left with each passing generation. Right now the GOP, like the DNC, is courting elderly voters with little to no care to the younger voters. Eventually, however, this will doubtlessly backfire against both parties and force both parties to change (younger voters are leaving both in droves and labeling themselves independent).
3. Many Evangelicals, Mormons, and Jehovah's Witnesses give Christianity a bad name (although some Mormons are trying to reform the Mormon religion, and there are doubtlessly Evangelicals and Witnesses trying to do so as well). Most Christians, I believe - although I don't have the statistics - are Catholics or Protestant which are more accepting and the majority. The extreme views on LGBTQ is frighteningly only part of it, more extremist factions believe that black people are inherently sinners ('The Mark of Ham'). Unfortunately, I forgot where I read this but it's the deep, deep South and I believe (or rather hope) that it's rare. A local pastor once likened these extreme groups to Satanism because they invert the bible to justify discrimination rather than following the tenants of WWJD. "Fundamental" in Christian terms doesn't mean at the root of Christianity, it's a misnomer - it means the conservative version of it and most Christians don't look highly upon these branches due to their extremity (and giving Christians an overall negative representation). Basically, as weird as it is to say - fundamentalist Christianity is not the, and is far from being the, fundamental of Christianity. Since these groups are inherently tied to the Republican party it's going to take swinging these religious groups: 24/25% Evangelicals and Mormons support same sex marriage whereas only 14% of Jehovah's Witnesses. Those views are doubtlessly a reflection of how they see lgbtq in general. That will, unfortunately, take time. Mormonism may be forced to change very soon in some way due to a scary increase in teenage suicide statistics tied to teenagers being disowned from their families for breaking strict "religious" tradition; stating it in sweeping general terms since it isn't solely tied to the lgbtq community.
http://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=3473487&itype=CMSID
With that said, each passing generation is more accepting and as time goes by these institutions will be forced to change to stay relevant.
3. Many Evangelicals, Mormons, and Jehovah's Witnesses give Christianity a bad name (although some Mormons are trying to reform the Mormon religion, and there are doubtlessly Evangelicals and Witnesses trying to do so as well). Most Christians, I believe - although I don't have the statistics - are Catholics or Protestant which are more accepting and the majority. The extreme views on LGBTQ is frighteningly only part of it, more extremist factions believe that black people are inherently sinners ('The Mark of Ham'). Unfortunately, I forgot where I read this but it's the deep, deep South and I believe (or rather hope) that it's rare. A local pastor once likened these extreme groups to Satanism because they invert the bible to justify discrimination rather than following the tenants of WWJD. "Fundamental" in Christian terms doesn't mean at the root of Christianity, it's a misnomer - it means the conservative version of it and most Christians don't look highly upon these branches due to their extremity (and giving Christians an overall negative representation). Basically, as weird as it is to say - fundamentalist Christianity is not the, and is far from being the, fundamental of Christianity. Since these groups are inherently tied to the Republican party it's going to take swinging these religious groups: 24/25% Evangelicals and Mormons support same sex marriage whereas only 14% of Jehovah's Witnesses. Those views are doubtlessly a reflection of how they see lgbtq in general. That will, unfortunately, take time. Mormonism may be forced to change very soon in some way due to a scary increase in teenage suicide statistics tied to teenagers being disowned from their families for breaking strict "religious" tradition; stating it in sweeping general terms since it isn't solely tied to the lgbtq community.
http://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=3473487&itype=CMSID
With that said, each passing generation is more accepting and as time goes by these institutions will be forced to change to stay relevant.
While I don't totally agree with everything said, I see where you're coming from and it makes sense.
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Would Pro Acceptance (Cure is illegal) be left or right wing?
Until you put the cure parts in brackets, I was going to say that the former is left, as when I think of pro choice, I think of euthanasia, which to me, is left-leaning/progressive.
Right wing people, however, are conservatives by nature and I can't really fathom that they would be advocating for acceptance compared to those who stand up for people who are gay, disabled, muslim, minority ethnicities and all that.
It'd be right-wing idea to cure it and left-wing to prevent it. And Neither to not cure it. I don't think either would be advocating to protect autistic people. Have you seen the way the media on both sides tlaks about autism. No way in hell.
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This autistic columnist for the Guardian thinks its right wing in Europe.
I’m autistic – don’t let anti-vaxxers bring back the culture of fear
Since it began to be identified in the 1940s, autism has been viewed as a problem in need of a cure. A few months ago I wandered over to a stall marked “autism” at my university’s careers fair; they informed me that they were looking for a cure to autism. There is no such cure, nor would I want one. For decades the condition was shrouded in mystery, and parents have long sought the cause of autism. Wakefield provided a spurious explanation. But we now know that it is a naturally occurring form of neurodiversity: the brains of autistic people are different from the brains of neurotypicals.
Wakefield set back the acceptance of autism as a naturally occurring form of human variation by decades. Anti-vaxxers hijacked the conversation. Autistic people wanted to have conversations about their rights, their struggles to find employment, and their struggles in a neurotypical world. And the neurodiversity movement is only now beginning to claw back control of its autonomy. Conversations are increasingly being led by autistic people. However, the damage that the anti-vaxxer movement caused to the neurodiversity movement is still
I’m autistic, and I was diagnosed 10 years ago, in 2008. At 12 years old, I had no way of knowing that anti-vaccination was still a live topic around autism. Luckily my parents didn’t engage with such a conversation. They were concerned about my needs, my access to education and employment. But many autistic children and adults were caught up in this bizarre and often harrowing episode – the discussion was too often centred on how to avoid having an autistic child, or what “mistakes” were made that caused the autism, rather than embracing the possibilities of neurodiversity.
The culture of fear that Wakefield aided and abetted has been taken up by far-right political movements, which capitalise on the fears that surround autism. In their narrative, autism is devastating and to be avoided at all costs. Anti-vaxxers point to rising rates as evidence of their outlandish theories. (In fact, as many studies and analyses have shown, the rates have risen because our diagnostic criteria have become more inclusive and more accurate.)
Their right to lead the conversation on autism isn’t up for debate. Yet with the far-right again pushing the anti-vaxx agenda, we must be steadfast in protecting our hard-fought progress. Anti-vaxxers cannot be allowed to regain the foothold that they had when I was diagnosed.
I don’t know about Europe but while there is certainly a populist right element to the anti vaxx movement in America, it is popular in such “left” areas as Marin, County, California. A lot of “Natural” remedies/diet/supplements come out of the hippie culture.
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This autistic columnist thinks the anti vaxx movement is a right wing idea
I’m autistic – don’t let anti-vaxxers bring back the culture of fear Karl Knights
anti-vaccination has continued to dominate our cultural conversation around autism. Why, when all the science proved otherwise? A growing scepticism of authority explains some of it, but fear of autism is at the heart of the scare stories.
I’m autistic, and I was diagnosed 10 years ago, in 2008. At 12 years old, I had no way of knowing that anti-vaccination was still a live topic around autism. Luckily my parents didn’t engage with such a conversation. They were concerned about my needs, my access to education and employment. But many autistic children and adults were caught up in this bizarre and often harrowing episode – the discussion was too often centred on how to avoid having an autistic child, or what “mistakes” were made that caused the autism, rather than embracing the possibilities of neurodiversity.
The culture of fear that Wakefield aided and abetted has been taken up by far-right political movements, which capitalise on the fears that surround autism. In their narrative, autism is devastating and to be avoided at all costs. Anti-vaxxers point to rising rates as evidence of their outlandish theories. (In fact, as many studies and analyses have shown, the rates have risen because our diagnostic criteria have become more inclusive and more accurate.)
Wakefield set back the acceptance of autism as a naturally occurring form of human variation by decades. Anti-vaxxers hijacked the conversation. Autistic people wanted to have conversations about their rights, their struggles to find employment, and their struggles in a neurotypical world. And the neurodiversity movement is only now beginning to claw back control of its autonomy. Conversations are increasingly being led by autistic people. However, the damage that the anti-vaxxer movement caused to the neurodiversity movement is still felt today.
For autistic people, the timing of Wakefield’s bogus study could not have been worse,” Steve Silberman, author of NeuroTribes: The Legacy of Autism and How to Think Smarter About People Who Think Differently, tells me. “Just at the historical moment when the true prevalence of autism was coming into view because of more public awareness, better screening methods, and so on, Wakefield came along to blame the rising numbers on vaccines. That had a devastating effect on autistic people – who now had to bear the stigma of allegedly being “vaccine-injured” on top of having autism – on parents, and on the direction of research. Instead of arguing about whether or not vaccines cause autism for a decade, society should have been investigating ways of improving the quality of life for autistic people and for their families.”
Autistic people deserve centre stage in these conversations. It’s always belonged to them, but they’ve been robbed of it by clinicians, concerned parents and anti-vaxxers. Society needs to amplify autistic voices – such as the artist Jessica Park; the professor of animal science Temple Grandin; the Australian writer and artist Donna Williams; and the writer John Elder Robison.
Their right to lead the conversation on autism isn’t up for debate. Yet with the far-right again pushing the anti-vaxx agenda, we must be steadfast in protecting our hard-fought progress. Anti-vaxxers cannot be allowed to regain the foothold that they had when I was diagnosed.
While I agree with a lot the column I disagree with a couple points. What annoys me is the idea I read here and elsewhere that the anti vaxx movement was bigger some time back and it is a right wing movement. If the anti vaxx movement is on the wane why as the columnist claimed are vaccination rates dropping and measles surging? Why waste time and energy writing a column denouncing a movement on the wane?.
Because Trump made vaccine skeptical statements it becomes convenient for his resisters to put the anti vaxx movement in with alt right science haters.
I fear the combination of labling anti vaxx as a right wing idea and a idea that is waning is leading to a certain type of complacency. It becomes easy to view the anti vaxxers as “them”, as a temporary roadblock that is inevitably doomed to lose to reasoned and enlighted people like “us”.
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