Intellectual Disability = Autism?!

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Oh no, it sounds like schizophrenia will also be merged into the autism spectrum in future.

The ongoing expansion of the autism spectrum is insane. Nowadays every second man and his dog is allegedly autistic. This sounds like it's a joke or sarcasm, but shockingly there are people seriously discussing their pet's autism. For example:
"How to Tell If Your Cat Has Autism"

The situation was already bad enough with the autism spectrum being expanded to include non-autistic people with intellectual disability. Now the inclusion of pets really highlights the insanity of what is happening. People are so stupid.

From what I've read, there's some debate as to whether there's overlap between the two or if autism is effectively the complete opposite of schizophrenia. But, ScPD is effectively the last autism left under the schizophrenia spectrum and doesn't really fit there or with autism, but it really needs more study as it's something that nobody seems to know much about. I remember whenever I read up on these disorders, there's schizophrenia, bipolar, schizoaffective disorder, schizotypal and schizoid personality disorder is somewhere over there, but doesn't really have anything to do with the other ones.

There's never going to be a perfect system of dividing this stuff up, but there should be a diagnosis to cover people that are being severely impacted by similar symptoms.

Here is a quote that is relevant to Jill Escher's article:

That's relevant to the part of Jill's article where she talks about a "A true, staggering increase in autism", although she does not provide evidence of it being a true increase.

The UK NHS is a centralised system a bit like the USSR or Cuba but computerised

Successive gov have always tinkered with it in small ways, one was to allow patient choice in where they get treated. Maybe they want their operation in a different hospital not the local one for example

Shopping around in a centralised system is like shopping at Walmart in LA rather than San Francisco. It’s the same organisation same system in place.

What you’re referring to is called fraud or medical incompetence.

Maybe in the UK someone could bribe a doctor to sign them off sick for a few weeks but a professional putting their name down falsely diagnosing a serious chronic condition no

For a start in a centralised computerised system medical records are logged and kept on file permanently

So someone living in London goes to Scotland gets sick ends up in hospital there they can call up the patient records instantly.

What their diagnosis is and who assessed them

So what your saying is a highly paid professional who spent years at uni and studying and getting to where they are probably building up huge student debt is going to risk it all by taking a bribe to give a false diagnosis for a chronic condition where that patient will likely be regularly in and out of hospital for the rest of their life.

The fraudulent diagnosis with a detailed file on how they reached that diagnosis pulled up on computer hundreds of times by their peers.

Unlikely but that’s not how kids get diagnosed anyway

A multi person team are involved teachers, social workers, doctors and blood tests and lastly multiple psychiatric assessments.

A dossier is built up half an inch thick over many years to finally come to a diagnosis

Lastly a minority may pay 1000’s for a private diagnosis, but the government don’t usually trust them. Sooner or later that child will be picked up by the NHS

Trust in that private diagnosis will fall like a stone as that kid gets older and into school

Like I said if stats are similar under uk strict system as US it’s unlikely what your saying is really happening on a big scale

Occam's razor is a philosophical principle that states the simplest explanation is usually the best one.

It becomes clear that Occam's razor is nonsense when you examine the extreme complexity of the human body and the bizarre twisted overcomplicated operation of genes/DNA. It's extremely far from being the simplest explanation. Likewise the psychology of NT people is far from the simplest explanation.

If Occam's razor was true, then people with autism would not have such great difficulty communicating with NT people and dealing with their bizarrely complex and contradictory psychology.

If Occam's razor was true, then the entire universe could not exist, because the physics of the universe is far from being the simplest explanation. Physics (including quantum mechanics, time dilation, and dozens of subatomic particles) is the opposite of simple.

If Occam's razor was true, then Newton would be correct and Einstein would be wrong. Thousands of examples exist to demonstrate that Occam's razor is nonsense.

Occam’s razor in respect to the accusation of large scale fraud and deliberate medical malpractice just because some father has a hard time coming to terms with his kid’s diagnosis

Like I said in the UK with severe disability there are multiple people and teams over many years to build a dossier before a diagnosis is made by multiple people.

Read up on the wait parents have in the UK for a diagnosis and a private diagnosis may be useful for an older aspie but is largely useless for severely disabled people to unlock gov help.

Watch bbc iplayer “there she goes” to get an idea of how this kind of thing is dealt with

So some father slipping some doctor a bundle of cash for a fake diagnosis and it not being picked up would not really happen in the UK NHS due to the large numbers of people that would have to be in on it for it to work each time.

More likely probability the roswell crash is real hundreds of thousands of times over

If the % of ID autistics are the same in US and strict complex centralised UK then that largely discounts the theory

This is rather interesting and not terribly surprising. You see something similar with ADHD where it occurs in roughly the same percentage no matter what ethnicities you look at and the only difference in rates is just simply a matter of which countries dedicate resources to it.

From what I understand, the bulk of the increase in diagnoses is the result of adults being diagnosed late, with comparatively little change in the rates amongst children.

Oh yes, that's a good example. It's well-known that some percentage of people who get ADHD medications don't genuinely have ADHD. Likewise some percentage of people who claim they have autism do not. And some percentage of parents who claim their child has autism are lying to themselves and other people.

Who are you replying to? You can't be replying to me, because I never said that parents are bribing doctors. Nobody here said that bribes are involved.


I never said that anyone is a secret genius who needs to be unlocked. So who are you replying to?

Are you replying to a ghost or a spirit or something? It's difficult to understand your messages if you're replying to an invisible user that nobody else can see or hear

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Did you not accuse people of shopping around for the diagnosis they want because daddy is ashamed of having an ID kid at his posh golf club?



How does this work then professionals say ID on its own barring in mind they would have run genetic tests and there’s a chance of picking something up.

How does a father turn his kid’s diagnosis into something else in a centralised system that have strict diagnostic criteria where multiple people are involved if not a bribe?

What’s the point anyway is profound autism including ID better than just ID on its own why bother?

"Shopping around" doesn't mean bribing people. It means the patient or parent pays the normal fee, and when he/she doesn't like what the doctor says, he/she goes and finds a different doctor who says what he/she wants to hear. It's also possible to choose a doctor/clinic in advance such that the patient or parent gets the desired diagnosis on the first attempt.

Shopping around is also possible in the UK because the NHS has a rule called the "Right to Choose". Private patients are also accepted in the UK. Thus shopping around is possible within both the public and private healthcare systems in the UK.

Alternatively, some parents just simply say their child was diagnosed with autism even when the child was never diagnosed with autism. People lie. Often.


I wouldn't bother. I would view it as pointless. However I'm not a typical person. Neurotypical people tend to have an unhealthy obsession with their social status/ranking, therefore they believe it's worthwhile to shop around to get an autism diagnosis, even though it's not truly worthwhile in reality.

The rates amongst children have also changed. Nowadays, one quarter of all children are allegedly disabled. Obviously that's nonsense, but it's happening anyway because parents are generally insane. Here's a TED talk about the topic:

I don't buy that. What are they getting from an autism diagnosis that they couldn't get from an anxiety diagnosis or other easier to get diagnosis?

You’re simply mixing up public / private and autism diagnoses in older children or adults and severe disability.

A parent doesn’t simply take their severely disabled kid to bobs clinic for a 20 min assessment and an official autism diagnosis

I don’t know what you have read or what happens in US but it doesn’t work like that here.

A mother will usually bring her infant child to a doctor to express concerns he will refer to a paediatrician for an appointment months later.

The kid is then in the neurodevopmental system

The paediatrician will examine the kid and if he’s concerned will request blood and genetic tests.

He will then launch a multidisciplinary assessment involving doctors , geneticists , teacher reports , child psychologists, play psychologists and a lot more (see link)

https://www.autism.org.uk/advice-and-gu ... d-families

There will be meetings and assessments in the home and in school after usually many years and a 1 inch thick paper file a diagnosis is given.

In the meantime if someone with deep pockets wants to pay private for a diagnosis to get told what they want to here, firstly it doesn’t get respected by the government for help and welfare and special schools. Secondly the diagnosis remains on the company computer and doesn’t go towards any official autism statistics. Thirdly this diagnosis will be overruled by the NHS diagnosis eventually anyway.

Not sure why you think profound autism is better than just ID?

People think people with profound autism are ret*d anyway so what difference does it make.

The only difference being you’ll likely get less sympathy with profound autism, you’ll have to deal with irritating fools and trolls claiming your kid has a “gift” or “ shouldn’t be cured”

As Jill confirms on her website

Doesn’t sound much fun to me

I don't think it is fair to target Jill Escher in this way, and somewhat nonsensical, as from my understanding her children are clearly autistic.
It seems likely to me that there are children with intellectual disabilities being misdiagnosed with autism, and indeed studies have indicated statistically that some of the increase in autism diagnoses has been matched by a decrease in intellectual disability diagnoses, whic is suggestive. So I'm not saying you don't have a point.
Just I'm not understanding why you bring Jill Escher and her kids into it.

Who are you talking about? When you say "you", do you mean yourself? Because that's the impression I get. Projection.